Photographing the police (Come on Derek...smile :D)

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by chaos23

They will use this against anyone they want to. There have been example of them using anti terror laws against people who are not terrorists.

It's true.

Some one has already been arrested for photographing a policeman or taking photos near a police station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1228149.html

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....4&in_a_source=

Also the Natwest/Enron three were extridited to the USA using terror legislation.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by Russ B

What??

Think of all the motorists they'll be missing out on catching....

Originally Posted by ANTOINE

It's true.

Some one has already been arrested for photographing a policeman or taking photos near a police station.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1228149.html

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article....4&in_a_source=

Also the Natwest/Enron three were extridited to the USA using terror legislation.

[Tezcatlipoca]

The Met have issued "Guidelines" regarding photography:

http://www.met.police.uk/about/photography.htm

It covers not just the use of the new law (Section 76 of the Counter Terrorism Act 2008, which amended the Terrorism Act 2000 with Section 58a) regarding photographing police officers, but also the use of Section 43 & Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000.

Telegraph journo Kate Day has blogged about it:

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/culture...hotograph-who/

Apparently the Met's advice is not Home Office approved:

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_285926.html


Another article at The Guardian:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...sm-regulations

It includes some examples of Section 76 being used to stop photography of the police.

It also has a link to a blog post by someone who was arrested (& later eventually "de-arrested") under Section 44 after taking photographs in Chatham High Street:

http://monaxle.com/2009/07/08/sectio...m-high-street/

[Stephen]

Its all getting a little silly isn't it! If I ever get approached by the Police or arrested for taking photos around Glasgow I will not be happy.

Ahh Chatham High Street, I used to live down there. The Fish shop used to be a Subway and to the right of the photo is a McDonalds :P

[soicky]

Originally Posted by Derek S

And there are plenty of people who will do that. Where I work there are at least two people well known for skulking about the town centre at weekends with cameraphones and putting edited highlights onto Youtube. Arresting a struggling bag of cocaine, alcohol, tattoos and muscle isn't pretty at the best of times and when certain sections of the incident are removed or glossed over it can look even worse.



Plus the uniform makes you look fat

Would it be these two by any chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGA9ZUEa3ZY

Yesterday a local bully tried his luck with the police and came off worse now my son who has been a victim of this little piece of **** couldn't resist filming his arrest. As soon as he was spotted by an officer THREE of them (my son is slight build and couldn't be threatening if his life depended in it) came over threatened him confiscated his mobile phone and held him till they had factory resetted it wiping everything from his phone.

This happened in the town centre in broad daylight in a little market town where we might have a little reputation for whinging but not terrorism. I have always supported the police and their actions on this forum and elsewhere but i can't help think there was a complete over reaction on the part of the police here and it is not something i like to see our officers doing. End result of this is they scared the hell out of a bunch of kids that are no trouble and have come across as anything positive.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Yesterday a local bully tried his luck with the police and came off worse now my son who has been a victim of this little piece of **** couldn't resist filming his arrest. As soon as he was spotted by an officer THREE of them (my son is slight build and couldn't be threatening if his life depended in it) came over threatened him confiscated his mobile phone and held him till they had factory resetted it wiping everything from his phone.

This happened in the town centre in broad daylight in a little market town where we might have a little reputation for whinging but not terrorism. I have always supported the police and their actions on this forum and elsewhere but i can't help think there was a complete over reaction on the part of the police here and it is not something i like to see our officers doing. End result of this is they scared the hell out of a bunch of kids that are no trouble and have come across as anything positive.

the officer could end up in trouble for that and in any case it doesn't do what they think there are various bits of software and or equipment that can easily retrieve all the information from even a factory reset phone or camera

so he failed in his understanding of the law and in getting rid of the evidence

My son doesn't want to take it any further despite my wishes and while a factory reset isn't the end of the world it meant he lost all his photo's, contacts and all the other stuff that kids have on their phones these days. I just thought it was a completely unproportional response and makes me wonder what our police have to fear so much from a bunch of teens filiming them doing their job. This incident has got me thinking a lot more about whether my unconditional support of the police in the past has been the wisest thing to do.

[Stephen]

I am tempted to take my camera in to Glasgow on Saturday just to see what happens, lol.

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

My son doesn't want to take it any further despite my wishes and while a factory reset isn't the end of the world it meant he lost all his photo's, contacts and all the other stuff that kids have on their phones these days. I just thought it was a completely unproportional response and makes me wonder what our police have to fear so much from a bunch of teens filiming them doing their job. This incident has got me thinking a lot more about whether my unconditional support of the police in the past has been the wisest thing to do.

the only problem with not taking things further ( and i can well understand not wanting the hassle ) is that the powers that be start to say its common practice we haven't had many complaints as a defence when they go to court eventually and common practice is often a successful means of defending actions


ps

try this if he had a memory card and wants his pics back

http://www.mjmdatarecovery.co.uk/mem...ysoftware.html

or this

http://download.cnet.com/PC-Inspecto...html?tag=mncol

if you can attach the phone to pc via cable or bluetooth

or use badcopy pro ( my choice but you have to pay for that one )

Thanks for those links Roger will try and get his phone off him and see if i can get back some of his stuff.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Yesterday a local bully tried his luck with the police and came off worse now my son who has been a victim of this little piece of **** couldn't resist filming his arrest. As soon as he was spotted by an officer THREE of them (my son is slight build and couldn't be threatening if his life depended in it) came over threatened him confiscated his mobile phone and held him till they had factory resetted it wiping everything from his phone.

This happened in the town centre in broad daylight in a little market town where we might have a little reputation for whinging but not terrorism. I have always supported the police and their actions on this forum and elsewhere but i can't help think there was a complete over reaction on the part of the police here and it is not something i like to see our officers doing. End result of this is they scared the hell out of a bunch of kids that are no trouble and have come across as anything positive.

"Yet, according to the Association of Chief Police Officers, the law is straightforward. "Police officers may not prevent someone from taking a photograph in public unless they suspect criminal or terrorist intent. Their powers are strictly regulated by law and once an image has been recorded, the police have no power to delete or confiscate it without a court order. This applies equally to members of the media seeking to record images, who do not need a permit to photograph or film in public places," a spokeswoman said. "



Left arm does not know what the right arm is doing? or coppers being over the line?

Reading the above quote I personally would have waited my day in court and asked that a member of the aocpo atteneds the hearing to give evidence.
But my guess is that the case would not even get heard, the police would not turn up.
We are being made criminals in our own country, but until someone has the balls to challenge the police state it will get worse.
By the way don't be fooled by the alleged backdown on the id card scheme, they still have your details on the database, but if they turn around and say that they are scrapping the details of innocent people then it will be a step in the right direction.
Just to finish, had it been a digital slr used by your son the pics could be recovered if he had used one of the latest sandisk memory cards.
They come with a recovery disc.

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Originally Posted by soicky

Would it be these two by any chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGA9ZUEa3ZY

Top Link.

[Delta Whiskey]

If you have done something wrong then deleting the images will be seen as destroying evidence, if you haven't done anything wrong then there is no need to delete the images.

Either way, the police (or any other security jobsworth) do not have the right to make you delete images.

[Derek]

I can't see the point of cops wanting to get involved in a fight with someone filming if its blatantly obvious they aren't doing anything illegal. It reminds me of the episode of top gear where they race through London and some cop pulls James May over to check the film crew have the relevant permits and then completely misses the joke about escorting the crew through traffic on blues and twos and makes himself look like a tit.

Originally Posted by Delta Whiskey

Either way, the police (or any other security jobsworth) do not have the right to make you delete images.

That said most cops are very edgy about any arrests or what they do being filmed by outsiders as its way too easy to be edited and shown in a bad light. They don't have any powers to delete the images but they can seize the phone as evidence if need be (I've never heard of it actually coming to this but it is an option)

[Tezcatlipoca]

Rizzy - Totally unacceptable IMO. I think he should take it further - I don't think they had any right to do what they did.