3 month old killed by dogs

Russ · 07-02-2009, 14:24

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/7876508.stm

Awful awful story

papa smurf · 07-02-2009, 14:35

that is really sad news a parents worst nightmare

Taf · 07-02-2009, 14:58

When are people going to finally realise that dogs+infants can be very bad news?

07-02-2009, 14:59

I made sure right from the start that my Staffie was never given any doll like toys to play with. Also Staffs can jump I am really struggling to stop Darla its the only thing she does that I do not like she does not even chew. Often people play with dogs in way such as holding toys out of their reach making them jump for the toy etc. When you hold a baby a dog could easily and without malace go for the baby thinking it is a toy. It is something I am very conscious about

Very sad story

Bulky · 07-02-2009, 15:16

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I made sure right from the start that my Staffie was never given any doll like toys to play with. Also Staffs can jump I am really struggling to stop Darla its the only thing she does that I do not like she does not even chew. Often people play with dogs in way such as holding toys out of their reach making them jump for the toy etc. When you hold a baby a dog could easily and without malace go for the baby thinking it is a toy. It is something I am very conscious about

Very sad story

i also have a staffy and am also very conscious of his strength and the way people percieve the breed , i have no children but my 3 year old nephew absolutely loves Zak (my dog) even though they seem fine together i would NEVER leave them alone. this is another tragic accident

^ .. i also have a problem with Zak jumping up , drives me mad but doesn't try if i hold my hand in front of him , i get my nephew to do this when the initial burst of excitement (you know what i mean) is happening.

superbiatch · 07-02-2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by bulkylad

^ .. i also have a problem with Zak jumping up , drives me mad but doesn't try if i hold my hand in front of him , i get my nephew to do this when the initial burst of excitement (you know what i mean) is happening.

My staffie (Zack) used to do this also, and as such he was never left alone with any children for fear of him knocking them off their feet. As he got older, he settled down and now he's 10 - he's more like a rug.

Sad, sad story and i can't believe someone would leave a baby in the company of two dogs. Although i suppose we don't know the full story yet. The parents must be absolutely broken hearted

idi banashapan · 07-02-2009, 18:27

regardless of the dog type, it should never EVER be left alone with a child in the room. There is no getting around the fact, it is still an animal, not matter how 'soppy' or 'dosile' a dog may seem usually. they can turn without warning. My daughter has always been around dogs since birth (now 7) and has never been left in a room alone with a dog, even our own dog.

This is a very sad incident, but as already said, people need to learn about dogs and children. The kennel club do rate staffys as being one of the best dogs around children, but it truth, it means nothing. especially if the child is the second into the environment (ie, dog was in the family first, then a baby comes along). A dog will learn it's place if the child was there first (this is not to say it's ok to leave them alone), but if it is used to being the pack leader, or the one with all the attention, it can try to eliminate the threat (ie, child).

only one thing to say - never EVER leave dogs and children alone.

Mick Fisher · 07-02-2009, 18:49

Tragic.

WHISTLED · 07-02-2009, 19:03

I have an Akita so 20 times bigger than a staff and she is soft as s*** but for a while last month she suddenly became very possesive and wouldnt let my girlfriend near me (althought they got on fine together) even to the point of snapping at her and barking (akitas dont bark)

She loves my GF agai now and sits with her instead of me most of the time, and loves playing with her. She still likes to be involved and a cuddle has to be 3 of us.

Even so I it did make me worry about if a kid was on the scene.

Akitas were used like nannies in Japan, left to look aftr the toddlers while the mum worked the fields.

idi banashapan · 07-02-2009, 20:28

like i said - they are animals. It's down to the owner to ensure the dog knows it's place. you should never treat a dog like it's a child because all dogs work in a pack mentality. the more leniency it is given, the higher it thinks its standing is in the pack (in pets cases, this means the human family) and this can lead to challenges for position, thus very unpredictable behaviour. I don't care what people say their dog is like - it is still a dog and will work on basic instinct.

superbiatch · 07-02-2009, 23:00

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Originally Posted by Bender

like i said - they are animals. It's down to the owner to ensure the dog knows it's place. you should never treat a dog like it's a child because all dogs work in a pack mentality. the more leniency it is given, the higher it thinks its standing is in the pack (in pets cases, this means the human family) and this can lead to challenges for position, thus very unpredictable behaviour. I don't care what people say their dog is like - it is still a dog and will work on basic instinct.

Sounds like the dog whisperer there - but very true indeed

rogerdraig · 07-02-2009, 23:01

no dog no mater how you train it should be even in a room with a baby unleashed if the baby is going to be with in its reach

i love dogs have two terrier crosses myself but they are animals they know nothing but the moment to quote that dog wisperer fella

adults seem to not understand the dog obeys them and doesnt bite them because they are seen by them as the dominant dog

though i feel sorry for the family we need some convitions in these cases to get it through to more people how dangerous doing this can be

WHISTLED · 07-02-2009, 23:08

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though i feel sorry for the family we need some convitions in these cases to get it through to more people how dangerous doing this can be

They have just lost a baby - The grandmother does not need a conviction, she has to deal with whats happened and look her daughter in the eye.

Typical rants everytime there is an accident.. 'Send em to the gallows, where were the police' etc etc

Raistlin · 07-02-2009, 23:09

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Typical rants everytime there is an accident.. 'Send em to the gallows, where were the police' etc etc

Now you've done it..... You mentioned the death penalty, and asked where the police were, run now while you still can.....

superbiatch · 07-02-2009, 23:14

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Originally Posted by WHISTLED

They have just lost a baby - The grandmother does not need a conviction, she has to deal with whats happened and look her daughter in the eye.

Typical rants everytime there is an accident.. 'Send em to the gallows, where were the police' etc etc

I suppose until we know the full story we shouldn't make any assumptions, as the uncle got jailed for a similar 'accident' in St Helens just a few years back.