Teenager 'killed for being gay' - Page 3

Welshchris · 06-02-2009, 13:41

it even goes as far as relating to where us gay people drink. A Str8 friend even said that the media shouldnt relate to pubs as Gay bars and Gay clubs as its labelling and wrong.

LondonRoad · 06-02-2009, 13:48

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

it even goes as far as relating to where us gay people drink. A Str8 friend even said that the media shouldnt relate to pubs as Gay bars and Gay clubs as its labelling and wrong.

hmmm not sure about that, I have gay friends who seek out gay bars when they're elsewhere because they prefer it. I know it's labelling but if it is descriptive of an establishment that is gay friendly then I don't really see how it can be viewied in the same light as the unnecessary labelling of celebrities.

Russ · 06-02-2009, 13:50

A lot of straight women prefer to go to gay bars too.

Zee · 06-02-2009, 13:55

damn... thats sad! you're not even safe with your friends...

Stuart · 06-02-2009, 15:42

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I don't really buy into the 'secretly gay' thing. I think it is giving some justification to actions of the person, which lessens the attack itself

I personally think the action has no justification. I think the theory behind it is simply that a lot of people are bought up thinking prejudice against gays is good, and knowing they themselves are gay, they blame homosexuality, and attack other gays as a result.

However, prejudice is never justified.

Russ · 06-02-2009, 15:52

I think the whole 'secretly gay' thing was just a way of getting back at 'gay bashers', as if it was felt shaming them would somehow stop their prejudice.

Welshchris · 06-02-2009, 21:07

But why should they be labed Gay bars and Gay Clubs? why shouldnt there be just clubs and pubs where everyone is free to drink and act as they please in any?

Dai · 06-02-2009, 21:18

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

But why should they be labed Gay bars and Gay Clubs? why shouldnt there be just clubs and pubs where everyone is free to drink and act as they please in any?

At a guess, because it makes it easier to know what you are getting into.

For example, there are pubs that specialise in football supporters. They are quite often labelled with huge signs proclaiming 'Big Screen' 'Rangers v Celtic tonight' or similar. Now if you are looking for a quiet and romantic night out with a special friend that label makes it easy to choose somewhere else.

Labels are not always a negative thing. And you don't always want to share other people's ideas of a good time.

BenMcr · 06-02-2009, 21:40

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

But why should they be labed Gay bars and Gay Clubs? why shouldnt there be just clubs and pubs where everyone is free to drink and act as they please in any?

It's nice in theory, but we aren't that far yet.

I remember just after Queer as Folk got broadcast, all the hen parties used to go to Canal Street cos of what they thought it was like when it was on TV, and because it was safe

Because they came, all the straight guys came looking for the hen parties and it slowly decended from there so that some bars became no-go.

Luckily they have all moved on, but it is still going to take a while

Russ · 06-02-2009, 21:44

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Originally Posted by Welshchris

But why should they be labed Gay bars and Gay Clubs? why shouldnt there be just clubs and pubs where everyone is free to drink and act as they please in any?

With the highest possible respect I'd prefer not to be in a pub known for being a 'gay bar'. Althought I would do nothing to prevent gay couples being together I would not feel comfortable being around them. I understand that it's me with the problem and not them, however I'd like to be able to make the distinction so I could do to places where I wouldn't feel so awkward.

LondonRoad · 06-02-2009, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Russ B

With the highest possible respect I'd prefer not to be in a pub known for being a 'gay bar'. Althought I would do nothing to prevent gay couples being together I would not feel comfortable being around them. I understand that it's me with the problem and not them, however I'd like to be able to make the distinction so I could do to places where I wouldn't feel so awkward.

You're looking it at from the wrong perspective mate with all due respect. Although you have gay friendly establishments you don't have to be gay to go in there and enjoy yourself. Inside you'll find a mixture of folk with the same ambition as most of us have when we go out... have fun. Take folk at face value, having it uppermost in our mind that they are gay is no better than constantly thinking that the person you're talking to is coloured or has ginger hair..

It's not that important at the end of the day.

Russ · 06-02-2009, 22:16

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You're looking it at from the wrong perspective mate with all due respect.

Not sure that I am....I'm not particularly a fan of camp male behaviour (I feel exactly the same about 'lager-lout' behaviour too), I've only ever been to that sort of bar 3 times and I didn't feel comfortable there at all. Maybe it was just that particular place or those certain nights but I won't be going back. I'm happy with the places I usually go to anyway.

In any case I'm not talking about 'gay friendly' bars which are different from the specific 'gay bars' I think we're on about.

papa smurf · 06-02-2009, 22:18

i wont drink in the brick layers arms ,don't want any one thinking i'm a builder

Russ · 06-02-2009, 22:22

It's nothing to do with people thinking you are of that persuasion. It's all to do with what you're comfortable with. For example I'm not interested in a bar with loud chavvy music blasting out, so I won't go there either because I won't enjoy a night out there.

tweetypie/8 · 06-02-2009, 22:43

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...de/7868151.stm

I thought we had got past this? Guess I was wrong

what happened to live and let live ? i have gay neighbours and they are a1.