Scores die in Israeli air strikes

Originally Posted by SMG

When you look at the people in the Gaza area, & the homes where they live, they have very little more than any 3rd world country. There is no gain for anyone who wants the place. No industry, fertile land, resources, nothing. It not even strategically important. With the exception of getting hurt from idiots firing rockets, Israel has no real use for the place.

BBKing, There are no winners, or losers. If you imply Hamas, are a decent fighting force, then that beggars belief. What they are, is a group of cowards, who fight behind women & children, who are too frightened to fight other soldiers, in an open conflict.

When this conflict started, Hamas publicly announced that there would be a bloodbath. Just like Saddam & all the other wannabe`s, all gob & no fight.

13 Soldiers, a bloodbath?

They were right about the bloodbath of course, the blood of civilians is on their hands, & for what, a strip of barren land.

That's not how I read BBKing's posting.He was suggesting Hezbollah were a better fighting force.

[soicky]

They were right about the bloodbath of course, the blood of civilians is on their hands, & for what, a strip of barren land.

This "strip of barren land" is home to 1.5 millions Palestinians. I know some view Israeli lives more precious than Palestinians, but they are just the same species. Gaza is their home, for some they were forced there by Israel taking over Palestinians land.

Israel has killed and injured thousands of innocent women and children. Hamas did not drop bombs on civilians or use phosphorus gas. The government are murderers and the worst part is 90% of Israeli public wanted Israel to go into Hamas.

It is quite clear to see who's pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian here. Some people will always have their opinions, and no matter what is said and done, they will not change.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

That's not how I read BBKing's posting.He was suggesting Hezbollah were a better fighting force.

Right. I must have mis read the post.

se917, I understand this is home to 1.5 million people, but it is a barren strip of land with poor quality homes on it. My point is, its not worth fighting over. There is no advantage in owning it. The only importance it has, is to accommodate 1.5 mill people in poverty. I do not value any life as more important than another's. Unless it is a terrorist. The terrorists life has no value to me, at all.

Hamas did drop bombs on Civillians, unless you do not classify exploding rockets as bombs.

Originally Posted by se917

This "strip of barren land" is home to 1.5 millions Palestinians. I know some view Israeli lives more precious than Palestinians, but they are just the same species. Gaza is their home, for some they were forced there by Israel taking over Palestinians land.

Israel has killed and injured thousands of innocent women and children. Hamas did not drop bombs on civilians or use phosphorus gas. The government are murderers and the worst part is 90% of Israeli public wanted Israel to go into Hamas.

It is quite clear to see who's pro-Israeli and pro-Palestinian here. Some people will always have their opinions, and no matter what is said and done, they will not change.

So true, so true - which is a shame.

It would be nice if everyone was pro-peace, instead of one side or the other.

I'm just peed off at the gung ho's on both sides..May they meet each other in hell...

[soicky]

Originally Posted by SMG

Right. I must have mis read the post.

se917, I understand this is home to 1.5 million people, but it is a barren strip of land with poor quality homes on it. My point is, its not worth fighting over. There is no advantage in owning it. The only importance it has, is to accommodate 1.5 mill people in poverty. I do not value any life as more important than another's. Unless it is a terrorist. The terrorists life has no value to me, at all.

Hamas did drop bombs on Civillians, unless you do not classify exploding rockets as bombs.

You say Gaza is not worth fighting over. If the Palestinians did not fight for Gaza where would they be. Dead?

This is not just about Gaza. This is about the blockade. I can see you are very pro-Israeli in your views but from my point of view Israel are the aggressors and should be punished. But US are behind Israel so no justice is ever done. This will keep on happening unless there is change and Obama did say there will be change so let's see if it happens.

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

So true, so true - which is a shame.

It would be nice if everyone was pro-peace, instead of one side or the other.

I agree, but i can not be like that as one side is and has been the aggressor for a long time now. You know my views so i wont go into them again. Your probably getting bored of the same thing being repeated. But the main reason i came onto here was to see what other peoples views were and how they justified them.

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by SE917

Hamas did not drop bombs on civilians

Now this is where I do get confused, Hamas have been blindly firing rockets into Israeli cities purposely targeting civilians.
In this conflict there is plenty of fault on both sides, to put all the blame on just one side is patently misrepresenting the situation.

[soicky]

Originally Posted by frogstamper

Now this is where I do get confused, Hamas have been blindly firing rockets into Israeli cities purposely targeting civilians.
In this conflict there is plenty of fault on both sides, to put all the blame on just one side is patently misrepresenting the situation.

This has been taken out of context. I replied with this comment to SMG's comment about Hamas killing Palestinians, Israel are the ones killing in numbers and i am baffled when i see people like Mark Regav saying Hamas have killed and are killing all the Palestinians in Gaza.

[BBKing]

If you imply Hamas, are a decent fighting force

Um, no, read what I said:

Hamas aren't Hezbollah, who are a decent fighting force with some good brains

Lebanese Hezbollah are a decent fighting force, in the sense that they are well-trained, well disciplined, pretty well armed for the doctrines they have developed and thereby saw off the IDF in 2006. Their prize for that was entry into Lebanese politics as the de-facto rulers of the south of the country.

Hamas, on the other hand, are barely beyond the futile 'wave your AK and shout Allah' phase of development, which has never really worked as a tactic. My point was that if Israel can't beat those guys (and the evidence is they can't, as Hamas have pointed out by loosing off some more rockets, bigging themselves up fpr the cameras and generally still being around and in charge), they're in serious trouble and need a plan B beyond just dropping bombs on people they don't like.

Originally Posted by SMG

but it is a barren strip of land

Quite. Ever ask yourself who's sitting on the *good* land?

Originally Posted by SMG

the blood of civilians is on their hands

I'm not sure the word I want to use at this point is allowed on this forum. I'll just ask this - in what way does Israel's perpetual tactic of making Hamas stronger make Hamas weaker? In other words, what's the point of all this?

[SMG]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Quite. Ever ask yourself who's sitting on the *good* land?

Not realy, Is there any?

I'll just ask this - in what way does Israel's perpetual tactic of making Hamas stronger make Hamas weaker?

No idea what you mean by that.

In other words, what's the point of all this?

Thats a question for Hamas, not me.

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Originally Posted by se917

You say Gaza is not worth fighting over. If the Palestinians did not fight for Gaza where would they be. Dead?

If you read my post again, I said "but it is a barren strip of land with poor quality homes on it. My point is, its not worth fighting over. There is no advantage in owning it. The only importance it has, is to accommodate 1.5 mill people"


This is not just about Gaza. This is about the blockade. I can see you are very pro-Israeli in your views but from my point of view Israel are the aggressors and should be punished. But US are behind Israel so no justice is ever done. This will keep on happening unless there is change and Obama did say there will be change so let's see if it happens.

Thats fine, thats your point of view, But it doesnt mean its right. My view is that Hamas has brought this on the people of the Gaza strip. They are recognised as a terror organisation, & responsible for firing rockets onto a foreign soil. Israel has used excessive force in retaliation, & I condemn them for it. But they have the right to protect their citizens, & to destroy any aggressor. I'm not so much pro-Israeli, as totally anti-terrorist. Thats my view point.

[Dai]

Collecting pieces of my family
In an old pillow case
This one has a skull
But it don't have a face

These look like the arms of father so strong
And the ring on this finger
Means my Grandmother's gone
Here's some legs in a pile
Where my sister once played

Here's some mud made of blood
And these teeth are decayed
The ear of my brother
The hand of a friend
And I just can't
Put them back together again

Pick up the bones
And set them on fire
Follow the smoke going higher and higher
Pick up the bones
And wish them goodnight
Pray them a prayer and turn out the light

There are stains on the floor
Where the kitchen once stood
There are ribs in the fireplace
Mixed with the wood

There are forces in the air
Ghosts in the wind
Some bullets in the back
And some scars on the skin

There were demons with guns
Who marched through this place
Killing everything that breathed
They're an inhuman race

There are holes in the walls
Bloody hair on the bricks
And the smell of this hell
Is making me sick

Pick up the bones
And set them on fire
Follow the smoke going higher and higher
Pick up the bones
And wish them goodnight
Pray them a prayer and turn out the light

Now maybe someday
The suns gonna shine
Flowers will bloom
And all will be fine

But nothing will grow
On this burnt cursed ground
Cuz the breath of the death
Is the only sound

This is not going to help matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7869704.stm

Hamas policemen have seized thousands of blankets and food parcels that were meant to be distributed to Palestinian civilians in Gaza, UN officials say.
A UN spokesman said policemen raided a UN warehouse on Tuesday after officials refused to hand over the aid to a Hamas-controlled ministry.
The UN said it was the first time its aid had been confiscated by Hamas.
It condemned the action and demanded the goods be immediately returned. Hamas denied its men had taken any aid.

The UN are getting it in the neck from both sides..What with being targeted by the Israelis during this last conflict.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

This is not going to help matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7869704.stm



The UN are getting it in the neck from both sides..What with being targeted by the Israelis during this last conflict.

All of which goes to prove that there are plenty of innocent people suffering in Gaza through no fault of their own whether it be at the hands of the Israelis or Hamas. If their own 'Govt.' is abusing them they certainly don't need bombing as well.

[soicky]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7871874.stm

Another ship fired on and seized by Israel, stopping vital medical supplies, food and clothing for Gaza. The more this continues the more worse Israel makes it for themselves.

It's happened again

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7875171.stm

The UN aid agency in Gaza says it has suspended all aid shipments, accusing the Hamas government of seizing hundreds of tonnes of food supplies.
Ten truckloads of flour and rice were taken from the Palestinian side of the Kerem Shalom crossing, the UN's Relief and Works Agency (Unrwa) said.

It was the second incident in three days. On Tuesday, 3,500 blankets and more than 400 food parcels were seized at gunpoint from a distribution centre in Gaza, the UN said.