Football : Season 08/09 - Page 47

Shadow Demon UK · 01-02-2009, 22:32

Apparently Spurs could be docked points because they played Palacios against Boton when he was actually suspended. Let it be so

Russ · 01-02-2009, 22:38

Can't someone find something on Arsenal? I can't wait for them to drop out of the top 5 and they'd only need to be docked 7 points for that to happen

Arthurgray50@blu · 01-02-2009, 23:04

I wish l could find something crap about the gooners, they are out of the running for the title, and Arsene, will be out of a job, lets see what happens next Sunday, when we wipe the floor, of the Gooners,

The big problem with Arsenal, they thought they were the big boys of NL, but it has gone downhill, and they haven't sign anyone in the window, probabely, as new players want Champions League football, and if they lose anymore games, they will end up with nothing - hooray.

pedantic · 01-02-2009, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Apparently Spurs could be docked points because they played Palacios against Boton when he was actually suspended. Let it be so

Well, there's no mention of Palacios on the FA's list of suspended players and neither is he listed on the pending players suspension list. Although looking at his record this season, he has been booked 10 times already. Bearing in mind, you receive a suspension after 5 bookings, it would seem he should be on a suspension.

Although, maybe the FA have a rolling count system, so if he had bookings from last season, he would have served a suspension after maybe 2 or 3 bookings of this season. If that makes sense.

Saaf_laandon_mo · 01-02-2009, 23:32

I thought Palicios was suspended and only available for the match against arsenal. My mate is a spurs season ticket holder and he told me palacios wasn't available till the north london derby.

sherer · 01-02-2009, 23:51

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Apparently Spurs could be docked points because they played Palacios against Boton when he was actually suspended. Let it be so

surely that sort of thing should be down to the ref though. When he gets the team sheet he should check if there are any suspended players and inform the team

Shadow Demon UK · 02-02-2009, 00:00

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Originally Posted by pedantic

Well, there's no mention of Palacios on the FA's list of suspended players and neither is he listed on the pending players suspension list. Although looking at his record this season, he has been booked 10 times already. Bearing in mind, you receive a suspension after 5 bookings, it would seem he should be on a suspension.

Although, maybe the FA have a rolling count system, so if he had bookings from last season, he would have served a suspension after maybe 2 or 3 bookings of this season. If that makes sense.

He had ten bookings, so thats a two match ban. He was signed before the Burnley game, which didn't count as he was cup tied, there was then the United FA cup match which he was also cup tied for so didn't count for his suspension. He then didn't play against stoke, which is one 1 out of 2 and then he played against Bolton yesterday, which should have been the second match he was suspended for. I'm almost certain cards don't carry over to the next season, only suspensions do. I'm also sure the suspensions still count if a player is transfered to a different club. One of my friends is a spurs fan and he was suprised he played yesterday as he thought he was suspended for that match as well. I wonder what the FA will do?

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Originally Posted by sherer

surely that sort of thing should be down to the ref though. When he gets the team sheet he should check if there are any suspended players and inform the team

Why should it be down to the ref to have to check every player is allowed to play? It's up to the clubs to know when a players suspension is and to make sure he serves it. The club know the rules, if they decide to field an inelligable player, whether they knew what they were doing or not, they should be punished for it. They would have surely been told by the FA that the player had a suspension, it's nothing to do with the referee.

Russ · 02-02-2009, 08:58

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Why should it be down to the ref to have to check every player is allowed to play?

Surely what happens on the pitch is the responsibility of the ref? If a fan runs on he can stop the match. So if a player runs out and he shouldn't on the pitch the referee should take action.

sherer · 02-02-2009, 09:27

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Surely what happens on the pitch is the responsibility of the ref? If a fan runs on he can stop the match. So if a player runs out and he shouldn't on the pitch the referee should take action.

yes i thought it was up to the FA to administer the game and as the ref is representing the FA then surely it should be up to him. Much like at a motor racing meeting where all the cars are checked before an event to make sure they are legal

LondonRoad · 02-02-2009, 09:35

It has always been the responsibility of Clubs themselves at all levels of the game. The clubs all know the rules.

I can understand amatuer and less well off clubs being caught up with admiinstrative errors but given the abundance of dosh in the Premiership you would think they could affort to pay an adminstrator to check on such things.

punky · 02-02-2009, 09:53

I don't think he as suspended. He wasn't on the FA suspended players list immediately prior to the Bolton game. This link said he is clear: http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

Shadow Demon UK · 02-02-2009, 10:29

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Originally Posted by Russ B

Surely what happens on the pitch is the responsibility of the ref? If a fan runs on he can stop the match. So if a player runs out and he shouldn't on the pitch the referee should take action.

So it's up to the referee to go through every single player on the two teamsheets to make sure they are clear to play in the half an hour before kick off when the team sheets are given in? I think the officials have better things to do, like prepare for the match. The club would have been told before the match that he was inelligable, there should be no need for the referee to check that all the players listed are elligable. At the moment it looks like the FA have messed things up and Spurs haven't done anything wrong.

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Originally Posted by punky

I don't think he as suspended. He wasn't on the FA suspended players list immediately prior to the Bolton game. This link said he is clear: http://74.125.77.132/search?q=cache:...ient=firefox-a

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Tottenham are set to hand a debut to midfielder Wilson Palacios, who has gained a work permit and served out the second match of a two-game suspension during the Londoners' win over Stoke.

Which match was served as his first match ban then? He was signed before the Burnley match, so the Stoke game was the only one that would have counted for his ban until you played Bolton. He didn't serve it whilst at Wigan as he played the weekend before against Man City.

It would have been intresting if Bolton had lost the match on Saturday, as i'm sure they would have put in a complaint to the FA about it, but as they won i can't see them bothering.

Russ · 02-02-2009, 10:34

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

So it's up to the referee to go through every single player on the two teamsheets to make sure they are clear to play in the half an hour before kick off when the team sheets are given in? I think the officials have better things to do, like prepare for the match.

The ref can check each players' boots before the match starts if he wants to. If a man gets on the pitch with spikes instead of studs on his boots then although he will get punished by the FA, the ref will get it in the neck for missing it.

Unless the rules have changed in the last 5 years. That very thing happened in a sunday league match in Swansea.

punky · 02-02-2009, 10:43

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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Which match was served as his first match ban then? He was signed before the Burnley match, so the Stoke game was the only one that would have counted for his ban until you played Bolton. He didn't serve it whilst at Wigan as he played the weekend before against Man City.

It would have been intresting if Bolton had lost the match on Saturday, as i'm sure they would have put in a complaint to the FA about it, but as they won i can't see them bothering.

Noone seems to know, which includes the FA. The only links I can provide are rubbish ones like Vital football, but it seems like the FA cup match counted even though he was ineligible.

Here's one that explains it, in lieu of any of the more tradional sites commenting.

http://www.rivals.net/news/pgarticle..._4882706&id=81

Arthurgray50@blu · 02-02-2009, 11:24

Hi Sherer, For the first time ever, you have brought up the point, that l have been saying all along, One hour before the game, the referee is given the team sheet from both sides, it is down to him or her to check, everything that goes on that pitch is down to the ref. Therefore, if you have a dodgy player (and yes you get them) it is down to the referee in the end, this is why, there are not very many around, as referee's quit each month due to the aggro they get, especially Sunday's.

Referee's have the hardest job possible - they can't win on anything.