Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?

Roger i was asked to provide a link and i did and it does say he himself was quoted as saying he hadn't touched a cigarette since leaving school and that he was known to some to smoke cigars socially. I did not look very hard as i said a minute tops and found one where it has been said he wasn't a total non smoker. I also liked Roy Castle and don't really care whether he did or not smoke what happened to him was a tradegy same as everyone that suffers\dies from cancer.

I just dislike the way both sides drag certain people up to support their argument and i never said i myself saw him smoke. But back on topic before we get our wrists slapped. I just think bans are too nannying from a government that right now should have bigger things to be doing rather then dictating personal lifestyle choice. Lets be honest for those selfish smokers that do smoke in cars when kids are in them they are not going to care if there is or isn't a law same as selfish people in general in all aspects so it is pointless.

[rogerdraig]

didn't mean it to sound aimed at you

was aimed at the site its self

[LondonRoad]

Slightly off topic here but should this lady be applauded for not smoking in the car with her son

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/south_east/7845771.stm

Now that is shocking

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I think that this is a very good thread, and am glad it was brought up, i believe that smoking is a persons choice, wether it be in a car or building, such as in pubs, the smoking ban, l believe has killed the pub trade, if you smoke in a car with children, this is another freedom of choice and up to the parents, and normally, if the child says, 'smoke is in my eye' then the parent would stopped.

The trouble, is we are told not to do this and not to do that, l say leave it down to the individual to decide, l don't smoke, but it is not up to me too tell another person not to.

[rogerdraig]

while there are people like this arround we need some law to help make them see its not funny anymore

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090122/...d-dba1618.html

[Arthurgray50@blu]

I don't think there will be a 'law' concerning this item, Cigarettes makes a lot of money for the government, and it wouldn't bother me if they increased the price, to £10.00 per packet, as people would still buy them.

In this country, some doctors won't treat patients with smoke related illness, unless they stop, due to the strain on the NHS, but too me, it is down to the person to stop smoking,.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by rogermevans

funny they pick on someone whos already dead to make claims they are not telling the truth

that of course wouldnt have anything to do with you not being able to liable dead people in the uk would it

It could have something to do with the fact that Roy Castle (while alive) was quite vocal about have never smoked and blaming passive smoking for his cancer.

Can you think of anyone who has cancer, has said the same sorts of things, didn't smoke and is still alive?

Originally Posted by rogermevans

while there are people like this arround we need some law to help make them see its not funny anymore

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090122/...d-dba1618.html

I'm sure the woman in this case realises it isn't funny after her conviction, and it's already illegal to buy cigarettes for the under 18s - we already have laws.

What other laws would you like to see?

[Julian]

Originally Posted by freezin

I'm sure the woman in this case realises it isn't funny after her conviction, and it's already illegal to buy cigarettes for the under 18s - we already have laws.

What other laws would you like to see?

Small point of order there my friend... It is NOT illegal for an adult to buy cigarettes for someone under 18. We retailers are exasperated with the government for not making it so.

Originally Posted by piggy

http://www.thesmokingban.org/roy-castle.php

The above link is from an anti smoking ban movement? hardly unbiassed imo.

They will grip onto anything to keep these death sticks around, if anyone as an adult wants to poison their own bodies go ahead and do it, just dont think it right to expose kids whose lungs are developing to second hand smoke let alone anyone.

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

I think that this is a very good thread, and am glad it was brought up, i believe that smoking is a persons choice, wether it be in a car or building, such as in pubs, the smoking ban, l believe has killed the pub trade, if you smoke in a car with children, this is another freedom of choice and up to the parents, and normally, if the child says, 'smoke is in my eye' then the parent would stopped.

The trouble, is we are told not to do this and not to do that, l say leave it down to the individual to decide, l don't smoke, but it is not up to me too tell another person not to.

Arthur it would be nice if some parents who smoke were considerate of their children but its my guess that any remark about smoke getting in the childs eyes will be met with a torrent of abuse if theyre lucky, a slap across the face in some cases is more the norm sadly.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

The above link is from an anti smoking ban movement? hardly unbiassed imo.

They will grip onto anything to keep these death sticks around, if anyone as an adult wants to poison their own bodies go ahead and do it, just dont think it right to expose kids whose lungs are developing to second hand smoke let alone anyone.

Would you consider a study published in the British Medical Journal to be valid?
From http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7398/1057

The results of the California CPS I cohort do not support a causal relation between exposure to environental tobacco smoke and tobacco related mortality, although they do not rule out a small effect. Given the limitations of the underlying data in this and the other studies of environmental tobacco smoke and the small size of the risk, it seems premature to conclude that environmental tobacco smoke causes death from coronary heart disease and lung cancer.

What is already known on this topic

Exposure to environmental tobacco smoke is generally believed to increase the risk of coronary heart disease and lung cancer among never smokers by about 25%

This increased risk, based primarily on meta-analysis, is still controversial due to methodological problems

What this study adds

In a large study of Californians followed for 40 years, environmental tobacco smoke was not associated with coronary heart disease or lung cancer mortality at any level of exposure

These findings suggest that the effects of environmental tobacco smoke, particularly for coronary heart disease, are considerably smaller than generally believed

Active cigarette smoking was confirmed as a strong, dose related risk factor for coronary heart disease, lung cancer, and chronic obstructive pulmonary disease

So, while there may be an effect, it is apparently small, and certainly smaller than other possible environment causes of cancer such as, say, Fuller's Earth.

Originally Posted by Stuart C

Would you consider a study published in the British Medical Journal to be valid?
From http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/326/7398/1057


So, while there may be an effect, it is apparently small, and certainly smaller than other possible environment causes of cancer such as, say, Fuller's Earth.

But there is still a link which is the point, as small as it may be thought, and how long ago was the study?
It is not right to expose kids to second hand smoke end of imo.

Actually, if you click on Stuart's link, and look at the bottom (Relevant Articles), there appears to be disagreement about the report's methodology and findings.

(clicking on the Abstract/Extract gives a summary of each).

[Pierre]

Smoking in car with children is just bad parenting and/or selfishess adults, it is to be discouraged, frowned upon etc.

But we do not need a law for this.

What next smoking at home containing children to be banned? why stop there?

Giving your kids unheathly food to be banned? fines for chips?

You can't legislate for bad parenting.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by ANTOINE

Smoking in car with children is just bad parenting and/or selfishess adults, it is to be discouraged, frowned upon etc.

But we do not need a law for this.

What next smoking at home containing children to be banned? why stop there?

Giving your kids unheathly food to be banned? fines for chips?

You can't legislate for bad parenting.

I have to agree, why do we need a law to stop people smoking in cars with kids. I'd have thought responsible parents would not smoke in a car with kids.

I have a lot of friends who smoke in cars, or in rooms in the presence of their kids. When I comment about this, the respnse I hear the most is "It's not that bad", "wheres the proof that they will get cancer", " I know many people who smoke 20 a day and dont have cancer " etc etc. It does suprise me that such views are used as excuses but I do think that a lo of people still genuinely believe that passive smoking isn't such a big deal.