Christianity a History

[Russ]

Originally Posted by alferret

There is little relevance of the christian faith in my life and there certainly isnt no need to validate a 2000 year old nursery rhyme.

Individuals writing off people's sincere belief systems as a 'nursery rhyme' (although I'm not sure how much of the Bible rhymes) is one very good reason why programmes like this are a good idea.

Originally Posted by alferret

There is little relevance of the christian faith in my life and there certainly isnt no need to validate a 2000 year old nursery rhyme.

If people need to believe in something then that's fine but lest we forget that Christians were the biggest war mongers that this planet has probably seen.

Repressing peoples belief's by getting them to convert to Christianity\Catholicism by any means.

Nursery rhyme?What one would that be?

Jesus existed..it's an historical fact found in many,many histories of the period.For you to say he doesn't exist is to fly in the face of truth.

Now if you don't believe in God that's fine,neither do I but I'd never deny that Christ existed.I'd deny that he was the son of a god but not that Jesus lived and somehow managed to become the cause of a worldwide new religion..

[downquark1]

Don't want to interfere with the christian theme, but there is a a documentary about the Muslim contributions to science on the iplayer

Pitty this wasn't around during the kilroy-silk incident

[demented]

Sadly nowhere near as good as Jim's other series but worth a watch.

Originally Posted by alferret

There is little relevance of the christian faith in my life and there certainly isnt no need to validate a 2000 year old nursery rhyme.

If people need to believe in something then that's fine but lest we forget that Christians were the biggest war mongers that this planet has probably seen.

Repressing peoples belief's by getting them to convert to Christianity\Catholicism by any means.

Here's a point "."

Here's the relevance of your comment " "

As explained before, the program is not about the relevance of Christianity, it's about it's history and how it progressed through the ages, with lots of (imho) little known information - historical fact, not theism. You never know, you might learn something to back up your prejudices.

It's like saying someone saying they wouldn't watch a documentary on wars in the 20th Century because they weren't involved in them.

Nice straw man, btw, with the "war mongers" and "repressing".

[demented]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Here's a point .

Here's the relevance of your comment

As explained before, the program is not about the relevance of Christianity, it's about the history and how it progressed through the ages, with lots of (imho) little known information - historical fact, not theism.

It's like saying someone saying they wouldn't watch a documentary on wars in the 20th Century because they weren't involved in them.

Nice straw man, btw, with the "war mongers" and "repressing".

True of 6 out of 8. The trailers and blurb make it sounds like the last 2 are about relevence and questions.

Originally Posted by demented

True of 6 out of 8. The trailers and blurb make it sounds like the last 2 are about relevence and questions.

Thanks for that - I was only going on the one I had seen.

Frankly saying Christianity has no relevance to one's life is rather wide of the mark.Christianity has had a vast impact in every aspect of our history and lives even if we personally may no longer have belief in it's basic tenets of a divine being offering a flesh and blood son up as a sacrifice for all our sins...

It's effects reverberate around the world and refusing to watch the program saying that the history of the faith of your ancestors has no relevance is akin to denying who you are and where you come from.

[papa smurf]

i found this rather interesting

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki...n_Christianity

Originally Posted by papa smurf

i found this rather interesting

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki...n_Christianity

It appears to confuse/interchange "Christian" with "Catholic" (imho) (speaking as a lapsed Catholic).

[alferret]

I was brought up as a roman catholic. I went to church, I was confirmed, I was baptised. This came about because my parents chose the follow the christian faith and wanted to include me in what they believed in.

I got to the age of about 14 and made choices for myself without interference from others.
Being of what I assume sound mind I am able to make decisions and choices for myself.

Maybe I used the wrong word when I said nursery rhyme. The word I should have used was fable.
My personal interpretation of how christianity came about is this. Although I could go into a lot more detail I hope you get my gist.

2000 or more years ago a mother (or father) told their child a story. That story was about a man who could perform miracles, turned water into wine and fed 5000 with a couple of fish and a loaf, died and rose a few days later etc. Well this child thought "WOW! what a story" and this FABLE stayed with the child into adulthood. Now this child became a learned person, he wrote about this story that was told to him as a child.
Word spread about the land and the story changed in its wording along the way (a bit like Chinese whispers) and people in around the land started to believe that this was not a story but was an actuality. Some people wrote scriptures and tablets to perpetuate what they thought were true. And so there is my theory on how christianity started.

I do not disapprove what people choose to do with their lives and whether or not what they believe in is true or as I feel a story.
I have an opinion.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Frankly saying Christianity has no relevance to one's life is rather wide of the mark.Christianity has had a vast impact in every aspect of our history and lives even if we personally may no longer have belief in it's basic tenets of a divine being offering a flesh and blood son up as a sacrifice for all our sins...

It's effects reverberate around the world and refusing to watch the program saying that the history of the faith of your ancestors has no relevance is akin to denying who you are and where you come from.

We all see and hear what christianity has to say, it is not wide of the mark to say it has no relevancy in one's life, it has none in mine. I do not deny my heritage or where I come from, in fact I am quite happy in my little world where evolution and science rule.
Under the guise of christianity and from the mouth of the pope (and this is proven fact) the knights Templars from around 1100-1300 ravaged, pillaged and killed all in the name of chrisendom. There is christianity for you, cold blooded killers who waged wars in the name of God and the pope.
Leap forward to the 20th and 21st centuary although not waging wars, many of Gods foot soldiers, men of the cloth, preist's whatever you want to call them have been convicted of crimes of abuse against children. Covered up by catholism, the pope and others in the Vatican that coverts christianity and what it believes in.
You can argue that in all walks of life this happens, which it does but it isnt covered up when people find out.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

i found this rather interesting

http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki...n_Christianity

Had a quick read and yea I generally agree with those comments.

To use a word from the christian faith but in todays age christianity has a HOLIER than THOU attitude. It seems to forget its past yet its past deeds have been written about for the best part of 1500 years (or more)

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

As explained before, the program is not about the relevance of Christianity, it's about it's history and how it progressed through the ages, with lots of (imho) little known information - historical fact, not theism. You never know, you might learn something to back up your prejudices.

if the program is not about the relevance of christianity then where is the relevance in the program?

I'm a bit to long in the tooth to learn something, my prejudices dont need backing up. One day the truth will come out and it will all be seen as a sham, the longest "long con" game in the history of man.

Wow - you really have made up your mind, haven't you?

All those Goths, Vikings, Vandals, Mongols, and people like Pol Pot and Hitler were just fronts for Christianity - at last, the truth comes out; Christianity has caused all the world's problems.

btw, if one stops learning, one starts dying (imho) - those who do not learn from history, are (usually) bound to repeat it.

I'm over 50, and l love finding out new stuff - relevant or not.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Wow - you really have made up your mind, haven't you?

All those Goths, Vikings, Vandals, Mongols, and people like Pol Pot and Hitler were just fronts for Christianity - at last, the truth comes out; Christianity has caused all the world's problems.

btw, if one stops learning, one starts dying (imho) - those who do not learn from history, are (usually) bound to repeat it.

I'm over 50, and l love finding out new stuff - relevant or not.

I havnt made up my mind, not at all. At 42 what I have gleamed over those years has brought me to where I am at the moment.
I never said christianity caused all of the worlds problems but probably from 800 - 1700\1750 in the better part of the then known world they did cause the vast majority of the problems that then ravaged chrisendom.

I never stop learning my friend, (bit of a contradiction I know) as you say when one does one starts to die. This is why if you could show me actual proof, rock solid proof and you'll need to get me an audience with "him" for that I would change my opinion.
Relevant or not, discussions like this are enlightening, it allows all parties to air their beliefs. It helps people to understand each other.

[frogstamper]

Anyway folks as regards the program in question I shall probably watch it as I find these type of documentaries fascinating, to be honest the religion itself doesn't come into it for me,
I just find it interesting as to how it all started.
Another program of the same ilk that I've been watching recently is "Science and Islam", very interesting and well worth a watch.

[Russ]

Originally Posted by alferret

It helps people to understand each other.

And clearly some don't.

In any case this is not going to turn in to this week's religion bashing thread. It's about the programme. Those with the usual anti-christianity agenda should probably wait until the usual thread comes along.