Scores die in Israeli air strikes - Page 20

Maribel · 04-01-2009, 16:31

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

chaos, can you back up the "chemical weapons" statement, besides this photo from sott.net?

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**Hugh** · 04-01-2009, 16:37

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Israel have used Chemical weapons against Hezbollah in 2006, so they dont mind using this stuff. There is no link as yet, this was a repot on PRESS TV. But, they have found traces of depleted Uranium in some Gazan residents who have been injured by the ammunition.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202

It sure looks like Phosporus - dont you think?

White phosphorus is an indiscriminate killer that ignites once it is exposed to oxygen, producing such heat that it bursts into a yellow flame and produces a dense white smoke.

It causes painful burn injuries to exposed human flesh, as discovered by Lebanon's Children at the hands of Israeli Phosphorus Bombs in 2006.

White Phosphorus is considered a chemical weapon by most governments around the world. Its use in civilian areas is banned by the Geneva Treaty of 1980. The United Nations considers such weapons illegal.

United Nations
" 8 November 2006 Ã¢â‚¬â€œ The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) has found no evidence that Israel used munitions with depleted uranium (DU) during its conflict with Hizbollah",

If WP is being used against civilians (deliberately, and not as stated by Uncle above, as target-spotting aids), it is unequivocably wrong.

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Originally Posted by Maribel

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From your link
"According to sources, Israel is using the chemical weapons to make more killings and people of Gaza strip are falling prey to mysterious maladies in Gaza strip."

OK, that convinced me.

chaos23 · 04-01-2009, 16:40

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Originally Posted by foreverwar

United Nations
" 8 November 2006 Ã¢â‚¬â€œ The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) has found no evidence that Israel used munitions with depleted uranium (DU) during its conflict with Hizbollah",

If WP is being used against civilians (deliberately, and not as stated by Uncle above, as target-spotting aids), it is unequivocably wrong.

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From your link
"According to sources, Israel is using the chemical weapons to make more killings and people of Gaza strip are falling prey to mysterious maladies in Gaza strip."

OK, that convinced me.

Unfortunatley, short of Israel confiming the use of Chemical weapons, you will not concede. Why is this? Because you are firmly on the side of the Israelis. At times like this, people like you crawl out of the woodwork, in order to promote the propaganda the Israeli gov produces.

icestar2 · 04-01-2009, 16:45

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Unfortunatley, short of Israel confiming the use of Chemical weapons, you will not concede. Why is this? Because you are firmly on the side of the Israelis. At times like this, people like you crawl out of the woodwork, in order to promote the propaganda the Israeli gov produces.

Although I am not as clued up as most here about this I do know that your comment there is more a personal attack on foreverwar than debating the subject at hand.

chaos23 · 04-01-2009, 16:47

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Originally Posted by icestar2

Although I am not as clued up as most here about this I do know that your comment there is more a personal attack on foreverwar than debating the subject at hand.

Its not a personal attack on him, its an attack on his views.

Uncle Peter · 04-01-2009, 16:47

What type of chemical weapons are the Israelis using then?

icestar2 · 04-01-2009, 16:50

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Its not a personal attack on him, its an attack on his views.

Views that you are assuming foreverwar hold's and therfore imo its an attack on him. Not trying to stir up trouble here am just stating what I am seeing from some of the comments in this thread.

04-01-2009, 16:56

Just an observation, but the pictures of the use of WP all seem to be air bursts, which would suggest its use as a smoke screen, rather than directly anti-personnel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

The emotive phrase 'chemical weapon' is a difficult one - strictly speaking gunpowder/cordite/tnt/napalm are all 'chemical weapons', but not in the way nerve gases, etc are, in that they rely on explosive or incendiary effects, rather than toxicity.

Raistlin · 04-01-2009, 16:56

Enough already - everybody.

Let's try to keep this nice and friendly shall we? It would be extremely helpful (and less likely to attract negative arttention) if people were to debate/discuss the topic at hand and not start levelling personal accusations against each other whatever the reason.

Debating/discussing someone's views/opinions is fine, 'attacking' them is synonymous with attacking the person themselves and won't be tolerated.

We've asked nicely for people to be a little bit more respectful of each other, and more mindful of the sensitive nature of the topic being discussed, the very next person to forget that request will find themselves firmly in my bad books

papa smurf · 04-01-2009, 17:00

this makes interesting reading

http://www.vtjp.org/report/Israels_New_Weapons.php

jamiefrost · 04-01-2009, 17:04

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Originally Posted by Maribel

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The story you linked to has nothing to do with the picture Chaos posted, people reporting misterious illness has nothing to do with the use of WP.

JJ

Sir John Luke · 04-01-2009, 17:10

If we're going in for unsubstantiated rumours:-

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11272252.html

chaos23 · 04-01-2009, 17:29

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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

If we're going in for unsubstantiated rumours:-

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11272252.html

Dear o dear...............

**Hugh** · 04-01-2009, 17:41

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Dear o dear...............

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Unfortunatley, short of Israel confiming the use of Chemical weapons, you will not concede. Why is this? Because you are firmly on the side of the Israelis. At times like this, people like you crawl out of the woodwork, in order to promote the propaganda the Israeli gov produces.

Can I re-iterate what I have stated in this post before - I am not pro-Israeli, I am pro even-handedness. If someone posted an unsubstantiated link to a story about Palestinians eating babies, I would comment equally on that.

This post is not an attack on anyone, just commenting on posts with no links, single views bordering on obsessions, and assumptions that any viewpoint different from their own must be wrong and part of a Zionist conspiracy (imho).

btw, still awaiting substantiation of your claim that the Israelis are using Chemical Weapons.

SMG · 04-01-2009, 17:50

The propaganda surrounding this conflict is no help at all. We have people on both sides lying for their causes. The problem is compounded when small minded people believe this crap & start waving the flag.

Forget the past. Look at whats happening now. If Israel wanted to kill Civillians, they would never send in ground troops. The troops would stay safe while air power reduces the place to rubble. The fact that they have now started a ground offensive is to root out the people who are terrorising Civillians in Israel. They have already stated that their mission is, to stop Hamas firing rockets into their land.

They are doing exactly what any country would do.

Some people are posting totally unsubstantiated, unrelated rubbish to try & bolster their arguments. Lets keep to the facts relating to this conflict eh.