Scores die in Israeli air strikes - Page 17

**Damien** · 03-01-2009, 19:57

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Originally Posted by chaos23

So what exactly is it Hamas deserves, they are democratically elected, through free and fair elections. They have been blockaded for 18months, what do you expect them to do. I hope Hezbollah open up another front and cause the Zionists real trouble.

Heres a question why is it acceptable to you for Israel to murder over 400 people 30% of which are women and children, in order to destroy a government they dont like?

Because that government has been firing rockets into Israel, which could easily be considered a cause for war. Normally this would be dismissed as the actions of a terrorist group but in this case it is the elected government, so what else are Israel to do? Just ignore it? Let them firing rockets into their towns, killing their civilians and do nothing?

I don't agree with Israel's reaction, but Hamas are not an innocent party here. They intentionally provoked the actions of Israel as a way to gain international support (which they have achieved).

If a government is firing missiles into another country, what do you think should be the outcome?

The only victims here are the Palestinians and the Israeli civilians (yes, they are people too)

chaos23 · 03-01-2009, 20:01

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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke

West Bank blockaded for 18 months?

a) I think you mean the Gaza strip and b) 'those missiles' have been fired for somewhat longer than 18 months, so could that be the REASON for the blockade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rocket_attacks

Correction Gaza, typing too quickly and no, the reason for the rocket fire is because there has been a blockade

**Damien** · 03-01-2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Correction Gaza, typing too quickly and no, the reason for the rocket fire is because there has been a blockade

Nope, The rockets have been going for a long time.

Anyway, I want a suggestion what Israel should do when an elected government are firing missiles into them?

chaos23 · 03-01-2009, 20:08

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Originally Posted by Damien

Because that government has been firing rockets into Israel, which could easily be considered a cause for war. Normally this would be dismissed as the actions of a terrorist group but in this case it is the elected government, so what else are Israel to do? Just ignore it? Let them firing rockets into their towns, killing their civilians and do nothing?

I don't agree with Israel's reaction, but Hamas are not an innocent party here. They intentionally provoked the actions of Israel as a way to gain international support (which they have achieved).

If a government is firing missiles into another country, what do you think should be the outcome?

The only victims here are the Palestinians and the Israeli civilians (yes, they are people too)

Do you really think Hamas were firing rockets to gain international attention? They are fighting a war against a regime that has been trying to strangle their people for 18 months. The Israeli people are not to blame for this, it is the Zionist regime that controls it.

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Originally Posted by Damien

Nope, The rockets have been going for a long time.

Anyway, I want a suggestion what Israel should do when an elected government are firing missiles into them?

Stop stealing the Palestinian land, blockading gaza,depriving children of medication and food and talk with Hamas.

Sir John Luke · 03-01-2009, 20:10

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/..._10062836.html

**Damien** · 03-01-2009, 20:12

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Do you really think Hamas were firing rockets to gain international attention? They are fighting a war against a regime that has been trying to strangle their people for 18 months. The Israeli people are not to blame for this, it is the Zionist regime that controls it.

Yes, they are doing it for international attention and to gain support in their own countries. Believe it or not there are also Palestinians who do not like Hamas and Hizbollah for not attempting a peaceful course of action (which is the only path that stands a chance of working) but every time a school is bombed the number of dissenters diminish. Something Israel should remember.

If Hamas were not doing this as a method to gain support then why do they place strategically important locations next to Hospitals, Schools, and other locations that contain very emotional cases? They either hope they won't be attacked, basically using these people as a human shield, or they are hit in which case they have propaganda material.

Also, acceptable counties at war target military targets and attempt to reduce innocent deaths. Hamas, like all terrorist groups, attempt to kill innocent people with their rocket fire into cities.

03-01-2009, 20:12

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Originally Posted by Damien

Nope, The rockets have been going for a long time.

Anyway, I want a suggestion what Israel should do when an elected government are firing missiles into them?

They could start by looking at themselves and asking why hamas are doing what they are doing, or they can ignore that one and pour more petrol on the fire as they seem to be doing.
By the way, when the IRA tried to blow up downing street with a mortar bomb we didnt throw a blockade around ireland.
Our glorious government got into bed with the IRA and everything is now rosie.
Or maybe just leave them to fight it out?
One thing for sure both groups are not interested in peace so anyone looking for a solution forget it.

**Damien** · 03-01-2009, 20:15

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Stop stealing the Palestinian land, blockading gaza,depriving children of medication and food and talk with Hamas.

Hamas do not want to talk, they want to destroy Israel. The previous 'government' were more willing to talk but now they are gone. The amount of times that peace talks take place and fall over because groups like Hamas decided to fire missles into Israel should prove why this will not happen.

By the way, after the recent ceasefire ended, it was Hamas who resorted to firing missiles into cities before Israel did anything.

demented · 03-01-2009, 20:44

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Originally Posted by Damien

Hamas do not want to talk, they want to destroy Israel. The previous 'government' were more willing to talk but now they are gone. The amount of times that peace talks take place and fall over because groups like Hamas decided to fire missles into Israel should prove why this will not happen.

By the way, after the recent ceasefire ended, it was Hamas who resorted to firing missiles into cities before Israel did anything.

As opposed to former Generals deliberately sparking things off with inflamatory actions as a political move so they can end up as PM? The Israeli Military are just as disinterested about talking than the other side. The Israeli Military already has pretty much everything they want.

chaos23 · 03-01-2009, 21:25

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Originally Posted by Damien

Hamas do not want to talk, they want to destroy Israel. The previous 'government' were more willing to talk but now they are gone. The amount of times that peace talks take place and fall over because groups like Hamas decided to fire missles into Israel should prove why this will not happen.

By the way, after the recent ceasefire ended, it was Hamas who resorted to firing missiles into cities before Israel did anything.

Oh yes, the previous government was willing to talk, so why has there been no solution for 60 years?

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This is to all the supporters of Israel, dont forget, if Hezbollah decide to open up another front in this atrocity, this whole situation could spiral out of control, it could engulf the whole region, leaving huge consequences for us all.

Uncle Peter · 03-01-2009, 21:45

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Originally Posted by chaos23

This is to all the supporters of Israel, dont forget, if Hezbollah decide to open up another front in this atrocity, this whole situation could spiral out of control, it could engulf the whole region, leaving huge consequences for us all.

It would be far more appropriate to direct that comment at the entities supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with armaments. Whether or not source is Damascus or Tehran that's where the finger is ultimately going to be pointed which suits the CIA. If they're not being fired then there's no precident to escalate the conflict.

chaos23 · 03-01-2009, 22:05

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Originally Posted by Uncle Peter

It would be far more appropriate to direct that comment at the entities supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with armaments. Whether or not source is Damascus or Tehran that's where the finger is ultimately going to be pointed which suits the CIA. If they're not being fired then there's no precident to escalate the conflict.

The Rockets are home made, the Palestinians are making them. Thats why they are so crap. They cant get any weapons in to Gaza.

Uncle Peter · 03-01-2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by chaos23

The Rockets are home made, the Palestinians are making them. Thats why they are so crap. They cant get any weapons in to Gaza.

They have a quantity of surplus BM21 artillery rockets which can be fired from the back of a truck, however: whatever is being fired the Israelis will use any excuse to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut and the CIA will use any shred of evidence to manipulate the situation as they see fit.

**Damien** · 03-01-2009, 22:16

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Originally Posted by chaos23

The Rockets are home made, the Palestinians are making them. Thats why they are so crap. They cant get any weapons in to Gaza.

I am not sure on the rockets being used by Hamas, but the Lebanon war a couple of years ago was fought partly using weapons from Syria/Iran. Hizbollah of course.

Sir John Luke · 03-01-2009, 22:22

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Originally Posted by chaos23

Thats why they are so crap.

You mean they don't kill enough Jews for your liking? Shame on you!