Scores die in Israeli air strikes

[SMG]

I dont want to have a go at anyone in particular, but some of you show a complete lack of common sense, military knowledge, or terrorist tactics.

Small groups often use tactics outlawed by virtually every civilised state. You do not launch any attack, or fire from, any building or area, used by the civilian population.

Should you do so, you will deliberately be inviting a deadly response from your enemy. The outcome will be civilian casualties. Saddam used these tactics during his reign, with great success.

Hamas fired unguided rockets from the Gaza, into Israel. They were not targeted, they were indiscriminate. Only luck stopped a large death toll. Israel responded by targeting the area the rockets came from. Civilians died. GREAT VICTORY for Hamas. These rotten Jews have killed our children.

Israel may have done the killing, but HAMAS pulled the trigger.

It was a deliberate act of murder. They knew that any professional army will only target known enemy locations. In other words, the launch, or firing point. Deliberately setting the enemy up to kill civilians has been done for years, its nothing new, but I am amazed at the number of people who cant see past their own noses.

This isnt rocket science, its basic military knowledge. Its called PROPAGANDA, & some of you fell for it.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by SMG

Its called PROPAGANDA, & some of you fell for it.

Yes 'some' of you certainly did if you think that's in any way an excuse

Originally Posted by Maribel

This? or this

Those are both the same incident that I posted.

Erratum - having checked my earlier link, I put the wrong one in.

Oops, my bad - I meant to post this link earlier - apologies.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Yes 'some' of you certainly did if you think that's in any way an excuse

Can you clarify? Excuse for what??

No one is excusing Israel or it's response but as i have said before if you were in the position of the israeli's how many rockets have to be fired into your country before you retaliated and what other form of retaliation would you use no one has answered that yet. Israel has the military punch so of course they are going to use it when they feel threatened or are people seriously suggesting that hamas should be allowed to continue firing rockets into Israel without any form of retaliation ??.

Beat Israel with a stick for some of the things they have done they didn't need to do but this isn't one of them and as SMG said if hamas really cared about the people so much it wouldn't have fired rockets from civilian areas another point that gets forgotten by those wanting to endulge in some Israel bashing.

I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to defend herself...Just that she doesn't always have to OVERreact as she so often seems to do.A response is expected but does it have to be out of proportion?

[SB_07]

I take it not many people know the history of the conflict and even Israel existing is against international law.

[SMG]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I've never said Israel doesn't have a right to defend herself...Just hat she doesn't always have to OVERreact as she so often seems to do.A response is expected but does it have to be out of proportion?

All to often countries do over react. However, it is recognized throughout the world, once your country is hit by foreign missiles, then you are effectively under attack, & in a state of war.

To launch a response in proportion to the attack takes a lot of working out. However, if your attacker uses terrorist tactics, as I said in post 76, then civilian loss of life is great propaganda. Hamas has no interest in people, only its own cause.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by SMG

Israel has taken crap for too long. If someone keeps having a go at you, you eventually have a go back. If they wont sit down & talk, yet keep on having a go, you smack em down. Its unfortunate, but thats life.

Xaccers post, 55, made a lot of sense to me, but then again, Ive been around a bit longer & traveled more than most.

I dont remember Israel taking their land by force, the way I remember it was the U.N. that mandated the area be split into two, one for Jews & one for Arabs. The land was given to the Jews & the Arabs have been trying to get it back ever since. The Middle East is a ticking time bomb. As far as I can see, the Jews just want to live in peace, but the Arabs just wont let go. They wont leave it alone. Their like flies round a dinner table, a pest. One you eventually get sick of, & swat.

I keep hearing this, just because you have travelled does not make one an expert on a subject.

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Originally Posted by SB_07

I take it not many people know the history of the conflict and even Israel existing is against international law.

Well said.

[SB_07]

Originally Posted by SMG

All to often countries do over react. However, it is recognized throughout the world, once your country is hit by foreign missiles, then you are effectively under attack, & in a state of war.

To launch a response in proportion to the attack takes a lot of working out. However, if your attacker uses terrorist tactics, as I said in post 76, then civilian loss of life is great propaganda. Hamas has no interest in people, only its own cause.

Foreign missiles? The whole of 'Israel' belongs to the Palestinians, they have no right to be there in the first place.

And let's not forget that it was us....the British who handed over Palestine to the Zionist Jews, when yet again we had no right to do so. And look what we started.

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by SB_07

Foreign missiles? The whole of 'Israel' belongs to the Palestinians, they have no right to be there in the first place.

And let's not forget that it was us....the British who handed over Palestine to the Zionist Jews, when yet again we had no right to do so. And look what we started.

You are correct:

Who is wiping who off the map?



PS How do i make my images smaller?

[Arthurgray50@blu]

Everyone, is going on about this situation, that has been going on for years, yet no one has actually said, who is going to stop it, At the moment, it is tit for tat, and it is innocent people that are getting killed, some bloody christmas isn't it, we get US and Britain sending in peace talkers, but they just keep bombing each other, doesn't make any sense.

Originally Posted by SB_07

I take it not many people know the history of the conflict and even Israel existing is against international law.

Err..The History of the conflict is not simple and International law is decided by the winners. The idea of International Law is absurd in most cases so I fail to see why people bring this up.

Something had to be done about the region post-WW2. There was already a large number of Jewish settlements in the area, which they legally brought from Arab land-owners. After the mass migration post-WW2 they had to do something. Israel overreact every time but to say they have no right to be there is flawed IMO.

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Originally Posted by SMG

I dont want to have a go at anyone in particular, but some of you show a complete lack of common sense, military knowledge, or terrorist tactics.

Small groups often use tactics outlawed by virtually every civilised state. You do not launch any attack, or fire from, any building or area, used by the civilian population.

Should you do so, you will deliberately be inviting a deadly response from your enemy. The outcome will be civilian casualties. Saddam used these tactics during his reign, with great success.

Hamas fired unguided rockets from the Gaza, into Israel. They were not targeted, they were indiscriminate. Only luck stopped a large death toll. Israel responded by targeting the area the rockets came from. Civilians died. GREAT VICTORY for Hamas. These rotten Jews have killed our children.

Israel may have done the killing, but HAMAS pulled the trigger.

It was a deliberate act of murder. They knew that any professional army will only target known enemy locations. In other words, the launch, or firing point. Deliberately setting the enemy up to kill civilians has been done for years, its nothing new, but I am amazed at the number of people who cant see past their own noses.

This isnt rocket science, its basic military knowledge. Its called PROPAGANDA, & some of you fell for it.

Very well said, I do think Israel need to occupy the higher ground when these sick murders deploy such evil tactics though. Israel do it every time and it plays into the terrorists hands!

[chaos23]

Originally Posted by Damien

Err..The History of the conflict is not simple and International law is decided by the winners. The idea of International Law is absurd in most cases so I fail to see why people bring this up.

Something had to be done about the region post-WW2. There was already a large number of Jewish settlements in the area, which they legally brought from Arab land-owners. After the mass migration post-WW2 they had to do something. Israel overreact every time but to say they have no right to be there is flawed IMO.

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Very well said, I do think Israel need to occupy the higher ground when these sick murders deploy such evil tactics though. Israel do it every time and it plays into the terrorists hands!

Have a look at the map at 1946...........it may educate you.

[demented]

Originally Posted by SMG

I dont want to have a go at anyone in particular, but some of you show a complete lack of common sense, military knowledge, or terrorist tactics.

Small groups often use tactics outlawed by virtually every civilised state. You do not launch any attack, or fire from, any building or area, used by the civilian population.

Should you do so, you will deliberately be inviting a deadly response from your enemy. The outcome will be civilian casualties. Saddam used these tactics during his reign, with great success.

Hamas fired unguided rockets from the Gaza, into Israel. They were not targeted, they were indiscriminate. Only luck stopped a large death toll. Israel responded by targeting the area the rockets came from. Civilians died. GREAT VICTORY for Hamas. These rotten Jews have killed our children.

Israel may have done the killing, but HAMAS pulled the trigger.

It was a deliberate act of murder. They knew that any professional army will only target known enemy locations. In other words, the launch, or firing point. Deliberately setting the enemy up to kill civilians has been done for years, its nothing new, but I am amazed at the number of people who cant see past their own noses.

This isnt rocket science, its basic military knowledge. Its called PROPAGANDA, & some of you fell for it.

I disagree in the most fundamental terms. What you are describing and (apparently) condoning are Crimes Against Humanity. Someone likes country a and dislikes country b, fair dos, but trying to legitmise Crimes Against Humanity needs challenging again and again and again.