Football : Season 08/09

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by punky

Big team?

snip rest of spud guff

So yes, however you look at it, we are an under-performing big club. West Ham fans in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

The difference is we don't think of ourselves as a big club like you charlies, your glory days were over long before most of us were born, get over it and accept the odd cup run is as good as it gets.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by punky

-> First British team to win the UEFA cup
-> And also the last British team to win it.

Aren't Liverpool the last British team to win the UEFA cup?

[punky]

I thought you'd at least read my post. There's more to making a big club than history and results. Our current value by Forbes is higher than Inter, Lyon, Celtic, Borussia Dortmund and very close to Juventus. Deloitte puts us above Juve.

In any way you move your goal posts, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

---------- Post added at 14:54 ---------- Previous post was at 14:52 ----------

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

Aren't Liverpool the last British team to win the UEFA cup?

Actually, you're right I forgot about that.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by punky

I thought you'd at least read my post. There's more to making a big club than history and results. Our current value by Forbes is higher than Inter, Lyon, Celtic, Borussia Dortmund and very close to Juventus. Deloitte puts us above Juve.

In any way you move your goal posts, doesn't change the fact that you are wrong.

In your opinion, imo it's all about history and results, anything else is pretty much out of the Alan Sugar football hand book

[Russ]

I'm assuming this is all down to what constitutes a 'big' club.

During the 80s Man United were considered a 'big' club but in actual fact only occasionally won anything major and never came close to winning the league. Throw in a few high profile players, a controversial manager or two, an above average history and suddenly we have a big club.

[punky]

I'd say the only true measure is value and international standing. Something United (and us, to a lesser degree) have always had. Not results and to a lesser degree history (although history helps increase international standing)

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2...premier-league

The FA are officially a joke. How can Liverpool get away with a number of players, fans and the club as a whole giving support to a person who has been convicted of attempted murder? They punish and fine a player who showed support to a friend who is in prison after scoring a goal but then turn a blind eye to all of this. For those that don't know there's a rule that forbids those involved in the game using it as a platform to demonstrate in favour of any political causes. The FA even charged Steven Pienaar last weekend for showing a shirt that said 'God is Great' on it. The FA need to grow a pair and do something about it, what a joke.

Devils advocate here, but didn't someone else actually admit that they'd been responsible for the death of the victim? Might have had some impact on the ruling?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by punky

I'd say the only true measure is value and international standing. Something United (and us, to a lesser degree) have always had. Not results and to a lesser degree history (although history helps increase international standing)

I'd say another good indicator is whether you sell your best players every season or not to

[punky]

I think that's what mitigated it, but the rule doesn't specify exemptions for miscarriages of justice. Or technically suspected miscarriages of justice as the the person withdrew their confession.

[Shadow Demon UK]

Originally Posted by Nugget

Devils advocate here, but didn't someone else actually admit that they'd been responsible for the death of the victim? Might have had some impact on the ruling?

Oh yeah, the guy who admitted it but at the same time was not prepared to stand trial and nearly everything he said in his confession was different to what all the eyewitnesses said. Also i'm sure all the witnesses who identified Shields as the attacker were all wrong and it was a guy no one recognised? It shouldn't matter anyway, just because the outcome of the trial didn't go the way Liverpool wanted it to go doesn't give them the right to break FA rules and get away with it.

[iadom]

Keano jumps ship.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...nd/7764671.stm

[Turkey Machine]

Tevez is da man! Why isn't he in the "regular" Utd starting lineup? 4 goals against (an under-performing, let's be honest) Blackburn Rovers deserves a lot of recognition. I'm still waiting for someone to equal the 5 scored by Ince against Ipswich (the 9-0 rout in the 90s ).

[Russ]

He only scored 3 - and he hasn't yet proven himself against a more established team this season.

[nffc]

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

Tevez is da man! Why isn't he in the "regular" Utd starting lineup? 4 goals against (an under-performing, let's be honest) Blackburn Rovers deserves a lot of recognition. I'm still waiting for someone to equal the 5 scored by Ince against Ipswich (the 9-0 rout in the 90s ).

That was Andy Cole

[Turkey Machine]

Originally Posted by nffc

That was Andy Cole

Sorry, knew it was a black man, just couldn't remember which.