Atheist ads on London buses

[Maribel]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Atheists should have the same voice as any other group should they not ?

And they should have the same tax breaks as the God believing outfits (Church of England etc)

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Maribel

And they should have the same tax breaks as the God believing outfits (Church of England etc)

Indeed, in fact:-

Go team Atheists !!

[Siuko]

Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees

Atheists should have the same voice as any other group should they not ?

Yes I mentioned that Atheists should have the same voice. I also said I would rather none of them have a public voice (that is atheists, religions, extremists, fanatics etc etc) so people can chose themselves whether they would like to learn about them.

There seems to be way to much 'I'm right, your wrong' attitude these days (especially with reference to religious extremists). How about I'm happy you choosing to believe what you would like but only talk to me about it IF I choose to ask you. And I would also like you to be happy with me choosing what I want to believe (if anything). Isn't that fair that we both then have our own opinions.

PS. I'm not saying 'you' to mean anyone personally on here - its more 'you' as in the groups of people with beliefs etc - anyone really.

[mrmistoffelees]

Originally Posted by Siuko

Yes I mentioned that Atheists should have the same voice. I also said I would rather none of them have a public voice (that is atheists, religions, extremists, fanatics etc etc) so people can chose themselves whether they would like to learn about them.

There seems to be way to much 'I'm right, your wrong' attitude these days (especially with reference to religious extremists). How about I'm happy you choosing to believe what you would like but only talk to me about it IF I choose to ask you. And I would also like you to be happy with me choosing what I want to believe (if anything). Isn't that fair that we both then have our own opinions.

Such common sense will alas never prevail !

[Lain Andrew]

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/an...l-1550742.html

The artical was written by Mary Kenny.

[danielf]

Good grief, what a load of unsubstantiated rubbish and scaremongering.

[Lain Andrew]

Originally Posted by danielf

Good grief, what a load of unsubstantiated rubbish and scaremongering.

I agree, She's saying Atheism kills child.

Unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Lain Andrew

I agree, She's saying Atheism kills child.

Unbelievable.

No I don't think she's saying that..More like that atheists don't have any better handle on society then theists...

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

No I don't think she's saying that..More like that atheists don't have any better handle on society then theists...

Eh?

I am convinced that this injection of atheism into the culture is directly responsible for the increase in drug-abuse, in crime and, most specifically, in the five-fold increase in suicide that we have seen in these islands over the last 25 years.

A life without a spiritual sense of purpose, or the moral parameters set by the Ten Commandments -- is a living hell.

Britain has been hugely shaken, over the last month, by the public tragedy of 'Baby P', and the tormented infant's young life has been taken as an all-too-accurate indictment of an aspect of British life today.

That is a life without moral parameters; in which fathers walk away from their children because the state provides all welfare; in which relationships are casual, and a variety boyfriends and serial stepfathers move in; in which mothers spend the day smoking dope, drinking vodka and cruising for sex on the internet, while their children die with broken backs -- among filth and excrement, dead mice and pet snakes.

The implication clearly is that this would not happen in a life life with 'moral parameters set out by the 10 commandments'. Coupled with a photo of Baby P. for good measure. Nice stuff

[demented]

Mary Kenny in the article

I've never yet met an atheist with a sense of joie-de-vivre (unless, in the case of one well-known public atheist, a certain drunken cordiality) most of them seem to be miserable blighters. Read GK Chesterton's great poem 'The Ballad of the Sad Athiest'. It perfectly describes this kind of dreary and austere puritan.

Not really an off day. A month earlier in the guardian she said almost exactly the same.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...heism-religion

Far from relaxing and enjoying life, most atheists I have encountered are gloomy blighters with a depressing and nihilistic message that there is no purpose to life so where's the point of anything? They so often fall into the category defined by GK Chesterton: "Those that do not have the faith/Will not have the fun." You only have to attend one of their dreary humanist funerals to see that – I am never going to another of those, just to be made miserable.

Anyway in that independent article there is a lot of ranty stuff. Maybe she only hangs around with the same sorts of people and has a very small circle of acquaintances?

[Russ]

In terms of common sense and subtlety, I think she's the thesist equivalent of Dawkins.

She's an ignorant idiot and for the sake of all would be better if someone told her to shut up i found most of her criticisms of personality could be applied to anyone including people of faith. I also find it highly distasteful for anyone to use the tragic events of baby p to try and make a completely stupid point about a group of people she obviously knows very little about.

[Russ]

And it goes without saying that the same could be said about plenty of other people regardless of faith.

[Pierre]

A life without a spiritual sense of purpose, or the moral parameters set by the Ten Commandments -- is a living hell.

I'm not a religious person, however, if you are going to live by a set of rules - then some of these 10 are a pretty good start, the non-religious ones,.eg

Honor your father and your mother

you shall not kill

Neither shall you commit adultery

Neither shall you steal

Neither shall you bear false witness against your neighbour

Neither shall you covet your neighbour's wife

Neither shall you desire your neighbor's house

All very good and you don't need a supreme being to tell you that either

Troubled and immature young persons, given a nihilistic message that there is no meaning to life -- that we are just reasonably clever animals who evolved from a set of molluscs, quite by chance -- are easily driven down the road to despair.

That is so wrong I can't believe it. She is saying that without religion there is no meaning to life????

The meaning of life comes from within, to be good, kind and generous. Love someone, if possible, have a family. Enjoy yourself and others.

It's all about what you do when you're here because, I believe, that's it. What's the point in worrying about what may or may not happen when you expire, I suppose that's why you need a certain kind of faith. I don't have that kind of faith, I don't need it.

Britain has been hugely shaken, over the last month, by the public tragedy of 'Baby P', and the tormented infant's young life has been taken as an all-too-accurate indictment of an aspect of British life today.

That is a life without moral parameters; in which fathers walk away from their children because the state provides all welfare; in which relationships are casual, and a variety boyfriends and serial stepfathers move in; in which mothers spend the day smoking dope, drinking vodka and cruising for sex on the internet, while their children die with broken backs -- among filth and excrement, dead mice and pet snakes.

Non of which has anything to with religion. Shall we go back to the good old, so called moral days?

Girls sent away/locked away because they are pregnant? back street abortions? kids taken away from their mothers.

Don't get me wrong I agree with all the problems she has identified and society is heading off the rails like a runaway train but religion isn't the cure all.

The "no responsibility" generation are to blame, along with the nanny state. If you can't afford to have kids you shouldn't have them, you certainly shouldn't get "paid" by the state to look after, say, more than two.

The benefit culture is what needs to be addressed, leave religion out of it.

[downquark1]

I would ignore her. People who invoke nihilism and then complain that people don't believe something because it makes them feel better are beyond seeing their own hypocrisy.