Brown on the ropes?

[saabmania2]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

I am really starting to worry that people are forgetting what brownshirt has done to drop us so far in the mire and in typical goldfish mode are now applauding the man for the way he is handling it. If this continues we face the very real prospect of this man being reelected and i simply do not want to think about that.

i think people in this country have got memories like goldfish (very short)

[TheNorm]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

...I say there is a better rule - in the good years you pay off debt and build up reserves ....

Trouble is, politicians see a pot of gold and can't keep their hands off it. Especially when it comes to election time.

Isn't it better to spend, spend, spend and let the opposition worry about the debt when they come into power?

[ginge51]

Gordon Brown has to go, simple as that.
He wasn't even elected yet how many important decisions has he made?
Get that <deleted> out of here.
No doubt the next <deleted> who comes in will be just as bad, so really all this swapping about is pointless.

<mod edit: You may not agree with politicians, or the person, but do not resort to offensive and insulting posts>

[saabmania2]

Originally Posted by TheNorm

Trouble is, politicians see a pot of gold and can't keep their hands off it. Especially when it comes to election time.

Isn't it better to spend, spend, spend and let the opposition worry about the debt when they come into power?

problem with that is labour do the spending and the conservitives do the saving then they get the blame as they have to put up taxes to get some reserves back.

Yeah and thats exactly what labour bank on to get back in at some point in the future. You will notice labour always make spending the money sound as though it's the only way to do us the population any good and that the tory way harms us all massively. It's just another stupid ploy that we in this country need to show them were not buying anymore.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Osem

I reckon Brown must be rubbing his hands with glee. Having driven UK PLC head on into an unprecedented financial disaster, the very problems he's done so much to create now offer the opportunity for him to do what he does best - throw money at issues. It even allows him to backtrack on some of the hugely doddgy/unpopular tax related decisions he's made and stood by, dressing it all up as prudent measures in difficult times. I wouldn't be surprised if the retrospective VED changes are ditched sooner rather than later.

I wonder if this is an example of what I suggested above:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7726435.stm

[ntluser]

I always find it amazing that governments always try to borrow their way out of a crisis.

Imagine the situation.You wake up one morning to find that you've lost your job, have £50,000 worth of debts and the country's in recession.For some people, sadly, this may be true.

Anyone in their right mind would surely be looking at ways to cut their unnecessary expenditure and maximise their income.

They would prioritise their debts and come up with a plan to pay off the debts gradually ensuring that high prority debts e.g. mortgage etc are paid first. In some cases you may negotiate a deal with your creditors.

Hopefully over a period of time you would get to a situation where you could live easily within your means.

The last thing you would do would be to incur more debt by borrowing.

Isn't this one of the reasons the country is in the mess it's in?

[Osem]

Brown's well and truly backtracking now:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7728900.stm

Having put taxes up to record levels and got himself into a real mess by taking away the 10p band, he now reckons what's really needed is tax cuts.

Of course it's all down to combatting the recession which he had nothing at all to do with and nothing whatsoever to do with trying to salvage his job.

More cynical populist U turns to follow methinks.

[etccarmageddon]

Originally Posted by ntluser

I always find it amazing that governments always try to borrow their way out of a crisis.

Imagine the situation.You wake up one morning to find that you've lost your job, have £50,000 worth of debts and the country's in recession.For some people, sadly, this may be true.

Anyone in their right mind would surely be looking at ways to cut their unnecessary expenditure and maximise their income.

They would prioritise their debts and come up with a plan to pay off the debts gradually ensuring that high prority debts e.g. mortgage etc are paid first. In some cases you may negotiate a deal with your creditors.

Hopefully over a period of time you would get to a situation where you could live easily within your means.

The last thing you would do would be to incur more debt by borrowing.

Isn't this one of the reasons the country is in the mess it's in?

that example isn't quite the same as an individual e.g. if this one person borrowed £10,000 and went out and bought a mini in order to help save the motor industry it would make sod all difference.

but if we ALL borrowed £10,000 each and bought a new car or put a deposit on a house or bought a speed boat - whatever - we'd stimulate the economy - the problem is it'd be a false boom. a bit like those people who say in order to avoid a hang over - keep drinking! it's true but eventually you have to face the music and sober up/pay off the debts.

Brownshirt is on to a winner with this recession even if he is the only winner as people are already forgetting the mess he has made of the job since having it and are now looking to the devil they know to help them. He will make populist gestures and reassuring announcements because so far that has worked for him and people are supporting him. Until someone pegs this government down and highlights beyond debate how they are responsible for much of the mess in the UK on national media he will continue to personally recover.

Sadly the only media that could do this the bbc is not interested in highlighting this governments failures and is more interested in rubbishing the torys any chance it gets hence why i now feel bbc stands for biased broadcasting corporation. If the people in this country reelect brownshirt and the labour party at the next election then we truly deserve everything we get and we are going to get a hell of a lot of trouble in all areas.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Sadly the only media that could do this the bbc is not interested in highlighting this governments failures and is more interested in rubbishing the torys any chance it gets hence why i now feel bbc stands for biased broadcasting corporation. If the people in this country reelect brownshirt and the labour party at the next election then we truly deserve everything we get and we are going to get a hell of a lot of trouble in all areas.

Come on, Just because the BBC have not run continued stories about how Labour are sorely responsible for the entire world wide credit crunch does not mean they are biased.

The thing is that it is not 'beyond debate' that they are responsible for the mess we are in and just because some sections of the media do not agree with your assessment is not evidence of bias on their part, only on your part.

There are enough media sources around that agree with your views so go to them if you simply wish the media to agree with you.

[Osem]

Brown & Co. are not responsible for the global recession but, having been in power since 1997, they're almost entirely responsible for the state this country is in and the effect global issues are having on the UK. The warning signs were there for all to see and they ignored them. This crisis was just an accident waiting to happen and they drove us straight into it!

[slowcoach]

The British are at their best when their backs are against the wall, just wait and see.....

Originally Posted by slowcoach

The British are at their best when their backs are against the wall, just wait and see.....

It's not the British we're worried about, it's the British Government.

Damien it is not that one issue where the bbc has shown bias take the recent george osbourne saga the guy has not been proven to have done a thing wrong he might have spoken out of turn but if you watched the bbc you could be forgiven for thinking he had broke every rule going. What made that all the more distasteful was that the bigger story was with peter mandelson and his dealings with the same man and that was covered and dumped very quickly by the bbc.

They have for years now been politically biased in their reporting and i am afraid i am far from the only one that has noticed it. I don't seek anyone or anything to agree with me and certainly don't criticise anyone or anything for having a different opinion ffom me. As to the point of brown and his part in our troubles no of course i don't blame him personally for the global economic crisis but i do personally blame him for the position the UK is in to deal with global problems which is simply put were in a far worse position then most comparable country's and economy's.

What i completely dislike is the way he is taking credit for everything but his part in our current troubles where he constantly blames global conditions. He can't have it both ways he can't blame global conditions for the crisis and then single handedly take the kudos for handling them. At the end of the day after ten years as chancellor he should damn well be handling it but then if he was as good as we are constantly told we wouldn't be so deep in it as we are.