Virgin Media doesn't like discussing Phorm in its virginmedia.feedback group

[Gary L]

being talked about in the virginmedia.feedback group.
there's a thread started in there today and technical support quickly jumped on the thread and still are with
This topic is not relevant to vm.feedback. Please keep Phorm and related
topics to vm.disc.bb. FU's set.


It's a feedback group FGS!

If we all thought like Kevin Patterson then we would ban any feedback about present and future goings on at Virgin Media, just because we don't want to talk about it anymore. when can we start making our feedback known about if we want Phorm or not? when it's already started. when they say well nobody left any feedback about they didn't want it so we just went right ahead with it!

LOL he has posted 7 times now in the space of 2 hours.

Phorm is not currently a Virgin Media service and as such doesn't belong in
vm.feedback, please direct future Phorm posts to vm.disc.bb, not feedback.

That's the reason why the government gets away with things. because we tell each other to stop moaning and let them do what they want were just numbers that don't matter. those that don't stick to being just a number with all the other numbers are pointed at by another number shouting get him! he refuses to be a number like all of us!

As its not a Virgin Media service gary they merely just told you where to post your comments regarding phorm like the mods here would do if you post a thread in the wrong topic

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

As its not a Virgin Media service gary they merely just told you where to post your comments regarding phorm like th mods here would do if you post a thread in the wrong topic

Spot on.

The way I understand it is that the 'feedback' group is for just that (and that some limited discussion of that feedback might be allowed), the group they directed people to use would appear to be a discussion group and therefore wholly more appropriate I would have thought.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.....

[Gary L]

It doesn't matter if it's not a Virgin Media service at the moment. Phorm have again said
Current partners include BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media - companies representing approximately 70% of the UK broadband ISP market.

Kevin Patterson doesn't know what the company that pays him to do support for them, is doing in the background with Phorm. he's saying we don't have Phorm so shut up. it's like saying to the government we don't like pubs that ban smokers, and they say we haven't banned smoking in pubs yet so shut up about something that we might do in the future.

[broadbandbug]

Originally Posted by Rob M

Spot on.

The way I understand it is that the 'feedback' group is for just that (and that some limited discussion of that feedback might be allowed), the group they directed people to use would appear to be a discussion group and therefore wholly more appropriate I would have thought.

Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.....

But to Gary L it may be a cigar shaped UFO

[Gary L]

Keep the thread on topic please. we are not talking about cigars, UFO's or anything that doesn't look like Phorm today.

[Raistlin]

I've deleted the last two posts, which were nothing more than off-topic bickering.

The thread title has been amended to more accurately reflect the discussion, let's all see if we can heed the OP's request to stay on topic shall we?

Thank you

[v0id]

Originally Posted by Gary L

It doesn't matter if it's not a Virgin Media service at the moment. Phorm have again said
Current partners include BT, TalkTalk and Virgin Media - companies representing approximately 70% of the UK broadband ISP market.

Kevin Patterson doesn't know what the company that pays him to do support for them, is doing in the background with Phorm. he's saying we don't have Phorm so shut up. it's like saying to the government we don't like pubs that ban smokers, and they say we haven't banned smoking in pubs yet so shut up about something that we might do in the future.

They may very well be partners, but if Phorm isn't yet impletemented on virginmedias networks, customers aren't experiencing it so can't give feedback on it.

It's not like they're censoring Phorm discussion, they set a FU to the discussion group

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by v0id

They may very well be partners, but if Phorm isn't yet impletemented on virginmedias networks, customers aren't experiencing it so can't give feedback on it.

It's not like they're censoring Phorm discussion, they set a FU to the discussion group

It's not about I'm experiencing Phorm and I want to give my feedback on it. it's, I don't want to experience Phorm and here's my feedback on it.

They are censoring the Phorm subject. he isn't doing it off his own back and keeping the group running smoothly. he hasn't even read the thread. just seen the banned word Phorm and re-acted the way he has. the OP asks for confirmation of what the new report states.

The latest offering by the censor team is

The feedback group is for feedback for actual services provided by VM.
Not supposition and inference from something Phorm or external sources are
saying. Discussion around Phorm and VM taking it up or not are always
welcomed.

Are we all going to feel like the numbers we are as soon as they say here's Phorm everybody!

If all of us were to say we are transferring all our services to Sky. the first thing they would say is, well thanks anyway we got bored of our own company and fancied going bust anyway.

Originally Posted by Gary L

It's not about I'm experiencing Phorm and I want to give my feedback on it. it's, I don't want to experience Phorm and here's my feedback on it.

They are censoring the Phorm subject. he isn't doing it off his own back and keeping the group running smoothly. he hasn't even read the thread. just seen the banned word Phorm and re-acted the way he has. the OP asks for confirmation of what the new report states.

The latest offering by the censor team is

The feedback group is for feedback for actual services provided by VM.
Not supposition and inference from something Phorm or external sources are
saying. Discussion around Phorm and VM taking it up or not are always
welcomed.

Are we all going to feel like the numbers we are as soon as they say here's Phorm everybody!

You're making something out of nothing. All they've done is clarify their moderating policies for the various groups they operate. They haven't censored your topic, they have simply asked you to post it in the correct place, much as we do on this forum all the time.

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

You're making something out of nothing. All they've done is clarify their moderating policies for the various groups they operate. They haven't censored your topic,

I don't think they'd go as far as to delete it to censor it. where has the word censorship come from anyway? I didn't say anything about censorship initially.

they have simply asked you to post it in the correct place, much as we do on this forum all the time.

They want it out of the feedback group so they don't have to reply to anything asked. anything can be confirming the new statement being made today, or tomorrow.
if all future posts containing the subject Phorm are made to the discussion groups then no answers from Virgin can be given as it's a discussion group and likely to not get a reply from Virgin.

very convenient really.

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by Gary L

I don't think they'd go as far as to delete it to censor it. where has the word censorship come from anyway? I didn't say anything about censorship initially.

Probably from this post:

Originally Posted by Gary L

They are censoring the Phorm subject.

[...]

The latest offering by the censor team is

[...]

Originally Posted by Gary L

They want it out of the feedback group so they don't have to reply to anything asked. anything can be confirming the new statement being made today, or tomorrow.
if all future posts containing the subject Phorm are made to the discussion groups then no answers from Virgin can be given as it's a discussion group and likely to not get a reply from Virgin.

very convenient really.

There's no reason whatsoever why people shouldn't post feedback to the feedback group when Virgin have announced that they are implementing Phorm, at that point the postings would constitute feedback on a current Virgin product.

At the moment the correct place to discuss it is in a discussion group. You may be worried that you're unlikely to get a response from them regarding Phorm in the discussion group, but surely that slight possibility is better than the absolutely no chance that you've got of getting one it the feedback group

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Rob M

There's no reason whatsoever why people shouldn't post feedback to the feedback group when Virgin have announced that they are implementing Phorm, at that point the postings would constitute feedback on a current Virgin product.

You know as well as I do Rob. Virgin will never tell us they are implementing Phorm. they will keep denying it until the day it's implemented. just like they did with STM. only they haven't got around to telling us about STM really either.

[bonzoe]

Does anyone know if VM staff participate in the discussion group? If they do, they will see Phorm being discussed and what people think of it, although I expect that they already have a good idea from previous posts on CF and letters sent to VM.

[Toto]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Virgin will never tell us they are implementing Phorm. they will keep denying it until the day it's implemented.

And yet, they have publicly admitted to looking at the technology, and said that any public trials will be announced.

Sorry Gary, I understand your beef, but its coming across as retoric. Lets not forget that Kent can spin better than gravity itself. The only company in the UK that is trialling the service is BT. VM and CPW have said they are looking at the technology, but please stop taking the lack of news as an admission of some wider conspiracy.

Lets just be patient.