Virginmedia Are Broadband Scammers

I have an unmetered water supply.

Having read this thread, I think I will leave all my taps on 24x7 - after all, I pay for it.

[peanut]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

I have an unmetered water supply.

Having read this thread, I think I will leave all my taps on 24x7 - after all, I pay for it.

Here comes the analogies.

So if your water supplier told you that you can use as much as you like but you can't have a bath in during the day, you'd accept that then? Your analogy doesn't hold much water really does it.

But for wastage you could leave the taps on, that would be up to you, but you wouldn't would you. Do you go round telling people off when they use hoses or wash their cars?

It wasn't an analogy - a poster on this thread has said he does this.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

It wasn't an analogy - a poster on this thread has said he does this.

Don't go bringing facts in to this thread you know it upsets those that omit them.

Here is the fact that is not in dispute

Originally Posted by buggerlugs

I don't believe they run a fair system as they describe and I will continue to suck as much bandwidth as possible - even if i dont want anything

That to me is just plain idiotic

Is there anyone here that does not see the problem that is caused by downloading just because you can and then not using that download.

[Fatec]

That to me is just plain idiotic

Yes and no, its people that have done that behind the reason why the STM limits will rise/change in the future, the more people download, the higher the STM threshold becomes.

Idiotic if it was truely unlimited though.

[Exorcist74]

Is there Actual proof that heavy downloaders are/were the main reason for STM, or is the reason, get more money for less resources the real truth.
ie pay for 20mb you get 5mb .

[Ignitionnet]

I'm more interested in how people are comparing a naturally limited resource, water, with a resource purely limited by investment, bandwidth

Much as I hate to bring inconvenient facts into a discussion like that water supply is naturally limited while bandwidth to a cable node is solely dependent on Virgin Media splitting nodes or sending multiple download streams to a node.

You can't compare bandwidth with water. It's hardly a 'fact'. You get more bandwidth with a couple of line cards, try doing that with water.

Virgin advertise their cable services as unlimited, water companies most certainly don't advertise as being unlimited nor do they suggest ways to use more water to make the most of your service. A ridiculous comparison. If Virgin's service is not unlmited and they cannot handle customers using it in that manner they should not advertise it as such, simple as that.

Call me an idiot by all means but downloading at full pelt for 20 minutes out of 5 hours hardly seems like abuse to me.

[Kymmy]

Water is limited by investment as long as the investment is in a desalinization plant

A couple more line cards?? Fine if you have the cabling IN and OUT to utilize them

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Water is limited by investment as long as the investment is in a desalinization plant

A couple more line cards?? Fine if you have the cabling IN and OUT to utilize them

A couple of coax cables going into the FPM to supply additional downstreams. Oh the pain

Splitting nodes is a new fibre or some DWDM kit at node. Again hardly comparable to a desalination plant.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Broadbandings

A couple of coax cables going into the FPM to supply additional downstreams. Oh the pain

Splitting nodes is a new fibre or some DWDM kit at node. Again hardly comparable to a desalination plant.

YAWN.....

A cable has two ends, one just needs connecting to thier own equipement, the other which costs the most connects to the nearest internet backbone (that's if that's got the spare bandwidth)...

Not as simple as installing a single piece of equipmtn.

As for desalinization plants well that was just an anti-analogy plant

[Ignitionnet]

Totally wrong. Splitting a node is nothing at all to do with connecting to the internet backbone. You're aware of the 3 layers of a network, access, transport and core right? Internet access sits firmly at core, uBRs at access. No wires go between uBRs and the rest of the internet they go over gigabit ethernet to the transport network to end up on 10 gigabit links heading towards the internet.

Yawn all you want you're totally wrong. In this age of 10Gbit peerings if a 38Mbit/s downstream causes issues that's the least of a company's concerns. You've a fundamental lack of understanding of what a modern ISP network is about if you think that the largest cost of a network is connecting to the nearest internet backbone. The cost of uBR bandwidth is several factors higher than the few pounds per Mbit/s that VM will pay in transit.

[Kymmy]

At last a reasonable explanation and it only took one yawn...Well done

In other words if someones got something to say then please explain it instead of leaving it half understood

[stairpotato]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Water is limited by investment as long as the investment is in a desalinization plant

This maybe true....

.....but my waterboard doesnt keep upping the speed that water exits my tap, yet reduce the total volume of water i'm allowed to have.....

....it also doesnt advertise my water as unlimited...

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by stairpotato

This maybe true....

.....but my waterboard doesnt keep upping the speed that water exits my tap, yet reduce the total volume of water i'm allowed to have.....

....it also doesnt advertise my water as unlimited...

Instead at time of low supply it totally cuts off the mains, gives you a water tank in the middle of the road which fills up the bottle at about one tenth of the flow of the mains.

Throttling taken to it's limits I'd say!!!

[stairpotato]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Instead at time of low supply it totally cuts off the mains, gives you a water tank in the middle of the road which fills up the bottle at about one tenth of the flow of the mains.

Throttling taken to it's limits I'd say!!!

Well when the internet starts running dry I will forgive Virgin for STM.

Until then - I'll agree with the OP that STM is a scam, designed to enable Virgin to continue to sell higher bandwidth rates than it could otherwise reliably supply.