VM position 50 meg as "premium"

[hokkers999]

An article on the register today indicates that vm are going to put the 50meg service out at a premium

The firm announced strong underlying profits today and said it expects its forthcoming 50Mbit/s network upgrade to further distinguish it as a premium/expensive ISP.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/07/virgin_q2_2007/

No real surprise there but not sure they want to be establishing a mind set of being an "expensive" provider.

[Richy99]

but you can go with that in all walks of life, rolls royce and bentleys, premium cars and expensive yet people still buy them, news servers as another example, giganews is a premoium service people still pay for that, i guess the word is quality

i see it as them trying to say they are a good quality provider being premium rather than being an expensive solution

[dev]

premium is the word to use, expensive is not

premium suggests better quality, expensive suggests higher cost for no reason

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

An article on the register today indicates that vm are going to put the 50meg service out at a premium

The firm announced strong underlying profits today and said it expects its forthcoming 50Mbit/s network upgrade to further distinguish it as a premium/expensive ISP.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/08/07/virgin_q2_2007/

No real surprise there but not sure they want to be establishing a mind set of being an "expensive" provider.

How can they class 50 meg as a premium service if they have already ruined it by putting STM on it.

[Bonglet]

Just by putting a Premium price on it

[chamoan]

I would be prepared to pay a "premium" price for a "premium" service, i.e. not such silly STM and poor upload speeds. I would love 50Mb as much as the next person, but would not be prepared to pay £45-£50 a month for a service that is so heavily restricted and poor upload speeds. I hope VM manage to sort the cloners out by the time 50Mb comes around dont get freeloaders on that network aswell and ruin it for the people who will be prepared to pay the cost VM charge.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Bonglet

Just by putting a Premium price on it

Well i for one would not pay a Premium price so they can rip me off with STM

[Andrewcrawford23]

I still do not see the point of them needing STM on DOCSIS3 for god sake it can easily handle heavy down loaders doing 50MB. i notice there no mention of the limits on 50MB probably be 8GB down and 2GB up.

Makes me wonder when 24Hour STM is coming. and then will be the time that virgin can no longer claim there service is unlimited.

I will try it I think just so I can show off lol

[watzizname]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Well i for one would not pay a Premium price so they can rip me off with STM

I'm pretty sure it'll still be a success, look how many of us are happy to fork out for the current top tier, offering far less.
Its going to be more than twice as fast, for less than double the cost.. i'm sure VM are aware of this, they've got boffins y'know lol

I'm not saying its great value, but there are the uninformed few that'll never visit these forums, who seem to have money to burn & a need to tell everyone that they're still the king of the hill.

Bragging rights rule..

Originally Posted by darthlinux

I will try it I think just so I can show off lol

nuff said lol

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by Andrewcrawford23

I still do not see the point of them needing STM on DOCSIS3 for god sake it can easily handle heavy down loaders doing 50MB. i notice there no mention of the limits on 50MB probably be 8GB down and 2GB up.

Makes me wonder when 24Hour STM is coming. and then will be the time that virgin can no longer claim there service is unlimited.

Despite the crap that VM pump out to the public, they dont have the bandwith available to support 50Mbit, even with docsis3, they over subscribe, they dont upgrade their backhaul to the network, endless loop, much easier just to STM users and blame "downloaders" instead of admitting they dont have the money to do any sort of real upgrades

You're limits are not that far off with the 50Mbit...

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Originally Posted by watzizname

I'm pretty sure it'll still be a success, look how many of us are happy to fork out for the current top tier, offering far less.
Its going to be more than twice as fast, for less than double the cost.. i'm sure VM are aware of this, they've got boffins y'know lol

I'm not saying its great value, but there are the uninformed few that'll never visit these forums, who seem to have money to burn & a need to tell everyone that they're still the king of the hill.

Bragging rights rule..



nuff said lol

And those are the people VM actually want, the "stupid" users who will subscribe to a service just for bragging rights and wont use it

[Impz2002]

DOCSIS 3 can handle the speeds but as Trax has said the rest of the network cant. If anyone thinks VM will invest in the rest of the network then they are wrong. The same over-subscribed area's will continue to suffer the same plight as at some point down the line the DOCSIS 2 and DOCSIS 3 traffic will merge and the same problem will rear its ugly head. VM need to spend millions sorting out thier aging backhaul and national network and i cant see why they would go ahead with it when its much easier to blame the downloaders and STM the hell out of thier products. I did at one time beleive 50meg would come without STM but its looking more and more likely that VM will ruin another potentially great product.

Impz

[chickendippers]

I can't see VM making changes to the core network until other providers are realistically able to offer a comparable service. I have noticed slow speeds to my servers in the USA which I know are capable of providing 30Mb speeds.

Be may offer a similar speed, but don't forget that they only offer it to people living 5Km from an unbundled exchange.

[Impz2002]

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Be may offer a similar speed, but don't forget that they only offer it to people living 5Km from an unbundled exchange.

To get the full 24meg you need to be dammed close to the exchange so realistically its prob about 500m from the exchange.

Impz

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by watzizname

I'm pretty sure it'll still be a success, look how many of us are happy to fork out for the current top tier, offering far less.
Its going to be more than twice as fast, for less than double the cost.. i'm sure VM are aware of this, they've got boffins y'know lol

Not all of us, I downgraded to the 2 meg service. Saved quite a bit so far. Unless STM is removed then I won't upgrade at all, period.