Please help me understand 50Mb internet...

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by eth01

50mb will utilize DOCSIS 3. DOCSIS 3 is used by no other ISP in the UK -- now you'll understand why VM boast so much... they've only got BT to compete with, that said... BT will deliver it differently... *dances*

Incorrect.

1)VM are not using Docsis3, only pre-docsis3, there is a difference.

2)BT already use docsis3 in kent with FTTH (other parts of the network are docsis3 also)

3)Incorrect, Ask4 is also docsis3, that is how they can offer 25/25

4)H2o is also docsis3.

In terms of bandwidth limitations, you'll definitely see an improved difference IMO.

Also incorrect, The STM limits set for 50Mbit will only allow you 20minutes full usage just like the current STM setup.
That's all i've got on the matter.[/QUOTE]

[eth01]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

Incorrect.

1)VM are not using Docsis3, only pre-docsis3, there is a difference.

2)BT already use docsis3 in kent with FTTH (other parts of the network are docsis3 also)

3)Incorrect, Ask4 is also docsis3, that is how they can offer 25/25

4)H2o is also docsis3.



Also incorrect, The STM limits set for 50Mbit will only allow you 20minutes full usage just like the current STM setup.
That's all i've got on the matter.

[/QUOTE]

Please don't troll my posts, thank you.

ermm.. VM are the only cable ISP in the UK which are providing DOCSIS 3, absolutely. pre-docsis, if that's what you call DOCSIS 3 before full implementation, then sure..

BTW, the STM'ing will be different.. somebody please back me up on this.. sigh.

[Fatec]

Please don't troll my posts, thank you.

ermm.. VM are the only cable ISP in the UK which are providing DOCSIS 3, absolutely. pre-docsis, if that's what you call DOCSIS 3 before full implementation, then sure..

I'm not trolling your posts.

VM are not the only cable ISP who are providing docsis3, Ask4 have provided docsis3 for a good few years, thankyou very much.

BT's network is fibre, essentially cable, and kent which is FTTH is cable, so i dont see you're point?

Err no, go read what docsis is, VM cannot afford a full docsis3 rollout, only pre, learn the differences.

[eth01]

Please don't troll my posts, thank you.

ermm.. VM are the only cable ISP in the UK which are providing DOCSIS 3, absolutely. pre-docsis, if that's what you call DOCSIS 3 before full implementation, then sure..

I'm not trolling your posts.

VM are not the only cable ISP who are providing docsis3, Ask4 have provided docsis3 for a good few years, thankyou very much.

BT's network is fibre, essentially cable, and kent which is FTTH is cable, so i dont see you're point?

Err no, go read what docsis is, VM cannot afford a full docsis3 rollout, only pre, learn the differences.

There is no such thing in "pre-docsis", do you mean 50mb trials? It'd be nice if you could explain yourself, instead of trolling legit posts

The BT stuff was that they can provide such speeds too, but differently... not cable of course.

[Fatec]

Stuff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable

Go look what cable is.

BT in kent is FTTH which if fiber optic which is cable, so is ask4, you need to learn you're stuff

So again, not trolling and bad repping me was immature.

[eth01]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cable

Go look what cable is.

BT in kent is FTTH which if fiber optic which is cable, so is ask4, you need to learn you're stuff

So again, not trolling and bad repping me was immature.

You're obviously a student then, Traxdata2.

"ask4's Student Internet Services are available in various Halls of Residence across the UK, including CRM Student Accommodation, Derwent Living, Liberty Living, Mainstay, Merlin, Opal, Quintain, Sheffield Hallam, Teesland, Unite and Victoria Hall."

I've said my piece and I'm sticking by it tbh. I'm not contributing to this thread from now FYI.

back btw.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by eth01

You're obviously a student then, Traxdata2.

"ask4's Student Internet Services are available in various Halls of Residence across the UK, including CRM Student Accommodation, Derwent Living, Liberty Living, Mainstay, Merlin, Opal, Quintain, Sheffield Hallam, Teesland, Unite and Victoria Hall."

I've said my piece and I'm sticking by it tbh. I'm not contributing to this thread from now FYI.

back btw.

They are also available in flats in sheffied, manchester and soon to be other places, so you should learn to read properly, as well

Learn to read properly, they have also just put a full ring around sheffield to offer it on all new builds as well.

It doesnt matter how small of an area they provide to, they are still cable and still provide docsis3 25mbit both ways cable.

So my point and im sticking to it

Residential

ask4 provides high quality broadband to luxury city-living developments around the country.

25Mb! The Fastest Residential Broadband in the UK!

Package Name Price per month Download Speed Upload Speed
25 Meg * £50.00 25 Mbit/s 25 Mbit/s
10 Meg £25.00 10 Mbit/s 10 Mbit/s
4 Meg £15.00 4 Mbit/s 4 Mbit/s

Ty.

OK can we please get back on topic which is to aid the OP in some understanding of 50Mb internet.

If you can't agree then maybe you can point the OP in the direction of somewhere that can help them to an understanding?

[weemax]

Its fine, i have 2 kids of my own - i know what they're like....

lol

[fnkysknky]

Sorry but just to clear something up, ask4's network is Ethernet based. DOCSIS isn't used on any part of it.

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by fnkysknky

Sorry but just to clear something up, ask4's network is Ethernet based. DOCSIS isn't used on any part of it.

The backcore network is docsis3 though..(the main core) then as far as im aware its FTTN then ethernet (cat5?/6?) through the apartments.

[Zhadnost]

Why when 10Gbit ethernet kit is so much cheaper?

(infact even 100Gbit ethernet would be cheaper and can run the full width of the country on a single hop).

[fnkysknky]

Trax, why do you assume that?

[Fatec]

Originally Posted by fnkysknky

Trax, why do you assume that?

Because it's what someone at your company told me when i rang to enquire about it

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

The backcore network is docsis3 though..(the main core) then as far as im aware its FTTN then ethernet (cat5?/6?) through the apartments.

The backbone isnt DOCSIS 3 or DOCSIS of any kind. DOCSIS is exclusively an HFC standard and isn't run over fibre networks. If the system is FTTBuilding what's going down the fibre will be nothing more interesting than a variation of Ethernet going into a switch then Fast Ethernet down the UTP to each apartment.

BT's Ebbsfleet trial is not DOCSIS 3, its using GPON. Gigabit Passive Optical Network, which carries a variation of SDH/PoS. STM-16 downstream, STM-4 upstream to each PON splitter. Tad pointless throwing DOCSIS down there.

DOCSIS is an access network technology, not a core network technology and is used exclusively for delivery of bandwidth down HFC networks as they are uniquely constrained by having to deliver their bandwidth in 6/8MHz slices. It's completely pointless using it for FTTK/P networks, why cripple an unchannelised network with GHz of bandwidth by forcing it to use bonded 6/8MHz channels? You can send 2.4Gbit/s down GPON to a single customer, rather pointless sharing 200Mbit between them using DOCSIS.

The tech that VM will use will be EuroDOCSIS 3 Silver certified. The original trials in Ashford along with the equipment until certification was Pre-DOCSIS 3, which btw means that it hadn't passed the certification testing. I believe that the modems will be firmware upgradeable to EuroDOCSIS 3 Gold, as would the CMTS.