Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

Originally Posted by ginge51

My 6 month contract is due up any time now.
I've no bt line though
I won't be staying if this phom starts to be used that's for sure.

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They'll lose so many customers over this.
Why bother?

Money.

[feesch]

Originally Posted by Florence

Cough it is at the top of every page that means it is repeated in this thread 877 times.

well mine says "Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts" so not that obvious. Want some Benelyn?

[ginge51]

Totally like the world these days, everything is surveillanced everywhere.
Like in America, I've just read that the authority's will soon be able to conferscate"ANYONE'S" laptop even if they have no link whatsoever to terrorism.
All's this causes is a world of paranoia.
Anyway back on topic.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by ginge51

They'll lose so many customers over this.
Why bother?

Goodness knows.

Here are some money saving tips for getting your line sorted out, and moving away from Virgin Media... BadPhorm:Moving Away from Cable

[SelfProtection]

Originally Posted by feesch

Appreciate difference between web and internet, but the system won't just be monitoring 'web' activity, but any activity running over the Intenet - so that will include IPTV and mobile (and in time) billboards as will all go via the same routing.

The bigger picture is in joining all the dots, linking consumer behaviour to all display devices.

If you try to equate People's Private, Personal data with dots all you'll end up with is data like this


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Feesch's post and writing style are getting more familiar now. He is not here to make any relevent points and is trying to divert your attention.

Notice the degeneration of his basic ability to write in English during a Saturday evening and you'll soon understand...

Come meet me for a coffee, think you will find there are plenty of us with media and technology industry who are prepared to work these issues through in a little more detail then merely an online petition and a faceless thread...

Plenty of us with media - that's not even remotely grammatical

Think the number maybe wrong there, but assuming you mean the questions around:

was 'PeopleonPage' ethical and did I agree that videoed discussion should have been censored/unreleased?

...nor is that

Its not quatity, its quality. All posters, TV sets will get a digital connection - you are seeing "online" as pure browser-based PC activity. The same technology putting ads in browsers will put them on mobiles and digital TV and outdoor.

That is ungrammatical, mispelled and very badly written especially when compared with his earlier posts.

Did I not say there were "many"? Was a statement against a narrow-minded point of view - and you yourself are running media down as some lesser actvity. So thanks!

Point being no-one here wants isolation, its a debate isn't it - and and am not pushing wares, but happy to look at both points of view - and happy to bring a different perspective.

That is ungrammatical, badly written, poorly spelled and aggresive.

Good money says that he had a few - probably Stella judging by the attitude shift.

As the wife would say - "leave him - it's not worth it"

[phormwatch]

Peter-

With respect, I don't think Dean's spelling or grammar mistakes are really relevant to the discussion.

I don't agree with his approach to online privacy or security, but I think we shouldn't be rude, just as we try not to be with other people who show up on this forum from time to time.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by feesch

Appreciate difference between web and internet, but the system won't just be monitoring 'web' activity, but any activity running over the Intenet - so that will include IPTV and mobile (and in time) billboards as will all go via the same routing.

The bigger picture is in joining all the dots, linking consumer behaviour to all display devices.

We are discussing BT and Virgin - they are not just after distributing websites, they are content distributors of TV streams.

You're not reading the last line of most of my posts (Phorm must be stopped).

I don't want my dots joined thanks. If my ISP does that, particularly in secret as BT/Phorm did in 2006 and 2007, they will be -1 customer (ask Virgin if you don't believe me).

All data, on the wires, looks like this: 100101110011010100101010.

Web traffic, email, SMS, VOIP, IPTV, whatever you care to mention.

The moment you concede interception of that data for marketing, there is no coherent argument to say "...but not this type of data, or that type of data".

That is why I make no concession, and keep saying; Phorm must be stopped.

I'm still monitoring this thread and I would really like everyone to stick to the topic...spelling and grammar are not the issue.

[Dephormation]

Dropping out at this point (bedtime!) and won't be online tomorrow.
Please, concede nothing to the idea that the privacy, security, and integrity of data communication is a marketing 'gambit' when you debate Phorm.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by feesch

Appreciate difference between web and internet, but the system won't just be monitoring 'web' activity, but any activity running over the Intenet - so that will include IPTV and mobile (and in time) billboards as will all go via the same routing.

The bigger picture is in joining all the dots, linking consumer behaviour to all display devices.

We are discussing BT and Virgin - they are not just after distributing websites, they are content distributors of TV streams.

If I have a contract for internet then I expect this internet to be delivered without any interceptions for stalking me over the internet to furnish me with adverts..

I didn't have VM televison as our sky package gave more for less money

[feesch]

Originally Posted by phormwatch

Peter-

With respect, I don't think Dean's spelling or grammar mistakes are really relevant to the discussion.

I don't agree with his approach to online privacy or security, but I think we shouldn't be rude, just as we try not to be with other people who show up on this forum from time to time.

Thank you.

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Originally Posted by SelfProtection

If you try to equate People's Private, Personal data with dots all you'll end up with is data like this


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maybe. Maybe not.

May wish to take a look at this (EU directive) whihc have been monitoring for a while.
http://ec.europa.eu/information_soci...aper_final.pdf

look at challenge 4, pg 21.

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Another article I was reading a while back was EU online privacy, may be intresting to some.

http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/documen...etention-data/

Out of here also. Apologies for spelling folks, been travelling continuously for a while. Could do with a beer!

[phormwatch]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

All data, on the wires, looks like this: 100101110011010100101010.

Mine doesn't. It looks like this: 01101011010010100101110100100

[madslug]

Originally Posted by feesch

Again, digital is not limited to the web... and besides have you not seen
http://www.google.com/adwords/tvads/

What a nasty page. - Uses Flash to try and download content from youtube.com onto the hard drive. I wonder why that would be?

I wasn't criticising his writing abilities in isolation. I was highlighting the fact that his posts have degenerated in style and content during the course of the evening and suggesting that responding to him in his current state of mind may no longer be appropriate or productive.

If and when Feesch is ready to talk to us in a manner befitting the seriousness of the subject I am happy to debate but he is clearly indisposed at present and is no longer making any sense.