30-07-2008, 16:09
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#12946
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 161
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by notophorm
Emma most kindly asked me my website details so it could be excluded, however I see a few £££ signs which would keep me in beer for many a long year, so I declined. Unfortunatly she will not write back to me.
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I am still waiting for Emma to tell me how I can audit that my site has not been phormed. No point just taking it on trust when the logs [should show calls to robots.txt either way for each page visit] show visits from phormed and non-phormed the same.
I have also asked for a diagram showing how the blacklisted sites are excluded - but the reply from BT legal seem to indicate that 100% of visits get intercepted for both legs of the data stream.
So many unknowns.
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30-07-2008, 16:11
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#12947
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 254
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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30-07-2008, 16:24
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#12948
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Location: Gloucestershire
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
That's better - thanks.
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30-07-2008, 16:36
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#12949
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cf.addict
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 130
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Trial must be on t'way - share price just zoomed (referring to share price ONLY as an indicator that the trial must be imminent :-)
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30-07-2008, 16:38
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#12950
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Location: Gloucestershire
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Just tried visiting the BT forum and got this message....
Best keep an eye on it when it reopens to make sure that it's still wholesome with nothing added and nothing taken away.
Thank you for visiting.
Due to essential maintenance work this section of the site is not currently available.
We apologise for any inconvenience this may have caused you. Please contact either your sales or service team with any further questions.
The numbers below may be of assistance while this section of the site is down.
UK Directory Enquiries 118 500
International Directory Enquiries 118 505
Please note the remainder of the site is still available.
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30-07-2008, 16:39
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#12951
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 831
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
All BT beta forums are down currently.
Products and services is down.
BTVison site is down.
In fact a LOT of BT's network just fell over.
Oh dear.
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30-07-2008, 16:54
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#12952
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Location: Gloucestershire
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel
Trial must be on t'way - share price just zoomed (referring to share price ONLY as an indicator that the trial must be imminent :-)
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The only news today on the BTPLC website is...
Jul 30, 2008 - ITU selects BT's Dave Faulkner to chair new climate change group
BT’s Dr Dave Faulkner has been selected by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU) to chair a new Focus Group examining the impact of information and communication technology (ICT) on climate change.
Incidently, the "zoom" is all the way up to below last weeks values.
---------- Post added at 16:49 ---------- Previous post was at 16:46 ----------
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones
All BT beta forums are down currently.
Products and services is down.
BTVison site is down.
In fact a LOT of BT's network just fell over.
Oh dear.
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They didn't just find another one of those Russian progams did they?
10> разрушьте упадочнические западные компьютерные системы
20> пойдите до 10
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It's all working again now. Apparently they found this hamster chewing on some wires...
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30-07-2008, 17:19
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#12953
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Quote:
Originally Posted by R Jones
All BT beta forums are down currently.
Products and services is down.
BTVison site is down.
In fact a LOT of BT's network just fell over.
Oh dear.
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I hear that ISPs cannot book appointments either that fell over wonder if Bt are trying to fit the phorm servers in and breaking their own network in the process that would be poetic justice..
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30-07-2008, 17:29
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#12954
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Location: Gloucestershire
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
Jut tried the BT forum - it's very slow to access and it takes several minutes to add a new post.
In other words it's back to normal
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30-07-2008, 17:34
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#12955
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cf.addict
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 130
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Peter N
Jut tried the BT forum - it's very slow to access and it takes several minutes to add a new post.
In other words it's back to normal 
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The sooner they get Phorm revenues the sooner they'll be able to invest in some more shiny servers
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30-07-2008, 18:26
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#12956
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: Cablevision
Posts: 8,305
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Peter N
A nice quote regarding targetted advertising...
"This stuff doesn't work. Amazon is still showing me things they think I will like based on my Christmas purchases and one-shot wedding gifts."
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and stuff I have bought and shipped for friends and family because it is cheaper over here. I really don't need any more Bratz dolls thank you.
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30-07-2008, 18:33
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#12957
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Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 231
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
what ad`s never see any only blank place holders
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30-07-2008, 19:01
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#12958
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Inactive
Join Date: Jun 2003
Services: The wonders of Sky TV BT line and Aquiss.net ADSL cable dies on 5th RIP VM.
Posts: 4,004
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
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Originally Posted by Peter N
Jut tried the BT forum - it's very slow to access and it takes several minutes to add a new post.
In other words it's back to normal 
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Once the extra redirects come in with phorm/webwise it will get slower.
BT's network boumces cistomers about too many times in the soame IP ranges tracerts from other ISPs that have their own centrals do not have all these redirects inside the same IP range.
Each hop slows the connection more.
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30-07-2008, 19:23
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#12959
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Inactive
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 231
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
doing a tr to bt.com i get to 14 and it times out after that all the way to 30
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30-07-2008, 20:24
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#12960
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Inactive
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Bristol
Services: Aquiss.net and loving it.
No more Virgin Media, no more Virgin Phone, no more Virgin Mobile.
Posts: 629
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Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
You'll see over on Bad Phorm I've had more letters from regulators, either refusing to answer questions, or buck passing.
I can't emphasise enough how important it is to move ISP, because you effectively have no one (currently) who is willing to uphold your right to data communication privacy. Let alone the rights of 160,000+ people involved in earlier trials.
If you have a rogue communication service provider, who sells your communication data, to a bunch of Russian alleged purveyors of spyware, you have literally no protection.
There are profound implications for people who find themselves included in Phorm trials (voluntarily or involuntarily)... If you find your communication data has been shared with Phorm, without your consent, no regulator will take action against BT (or Virgin or TalkTalk). The only protection you have is in your own hands (and that means choosing a new communication service provider you can trust, and using encryption whenever possible to do so).
On a more positive note, I received a document from BERR which will please the web masters amongst you... As I said in earlier posts, the one piece of legislation which is out of the hands of incompetent or corrupt regulators is copyright. And BERR agree;
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