50mbit or better upload speeds?

[InsaneNutter]

With all the talk about the upcoming 50mbit service I’m wondering if anyone else would sooner have something like 25mbit download and upload instead of 50mbit download and 1.5mbit upload (i think it was?)

I know would sooner have a decent upload speed, I’m more than happy with the 20mbit download speed I can get now, but I think the upload speeds are in need of some serious attention. Even my parents think it’s like been on dialup with the time it takes to upload some short video’s and photos of family gatherings.

[Impz2002]

I would much prefer a 25Mbit with maybe 5 - 10Mbit upload !

50 meg is great but only if the upload is set at a decent level. I cant imagine VM actually having the balls to lead the market and offer a fast upstream. They could truly say thier product was unique if they had a 5Mbit upstream as no other resedential provider has that!

Will VM ever learn ? i doubt it

Impz

I would much prefer a higer upload 5Mb would me great but cnt see that happening

[AbyssUnderground]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

I would much prefer a higer upload 5Mb would me great but cnt see that happening

I agree 5-10Mbps upload would be nice, hell even 2.5Mbps to match Be* would be a start, but like you say thats so unlikely why are we even bothered to discuss it?

[Impz2002]

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

why are we even bothered to discuss it?

Because at some point in the future a better upload will have to be offered as the net is getting more and more advanced and the demand for upstream is only going to increase. The Docsis 3 network will enable VM to offer a much better upload in the future and i imagine it will cost them alot less than it would on the current network. Once all the analogue is turned off we will see a massive amout of new frequencys become available.

Its not a case of "if" its a case of "when"

VM Will realise thier mother of all broadband needs a kick up the arse !

Impz

[AbyssUnderground]

Originally Posted by Impz2002

Because at some point in the future a better upload will have to be offered as the net is getting more and more advanced and the demand for upstream is only going to increase. The Docsis 3 network will enable VM to offer a much better upload in the future and i imagine it will cost them alot less than it would on the current network. Once all the analogue is turned off we will see a massive amout of new frequencys become available.

Its not a case of "if" its a case of "when"

VM Will realise thier mother of all broadband needs a kick up the arse !

Impz

The problem is, VM asked people what upstream they'd like and trialled 6Mbps on the 50Mbps trial and then took it away and gave them 1.5Mbps. Why ask if you're not going to take into account what people have asked for? It makes no sense at all and VM have done this very same thing on many occasions. Remember 20Mbps upstream was supposed to be 1.5Mbps, then 1Mbps, now its 768Kbps.

[Impz2002]

im not saying i agree with VM's choices but they are trying to cut costs in any way they can. what i am saying is that in the long term they cannot afford to keep these slow upload speeds as demand is going to grow for upstream. as soon as the competition hots up VM will respond. I have a feeling we will see a higher upload than 1.5meg on the 50meg !

Nothing is confirmed yet so lets wait and see !

Impz

[hokkers999]

Originally Posted by AbyssUnderground

The problem is, VM asked people what upstream they'd like and trialled 6Mbps on the 50Mbps trial and then took it away and gave them 1.5Mbps. Why ask if you're not going to take into account what people have asked for? It makes no sense at all and VM have done this very same thing on many occasions. Remember 20Mbps upstream was supposed to be 1.5Mbps, then 1Mbps, now its 768Kbps.

I took the 512 kbit service as soon as it was offered, that was 128k UP. ie a 4:1 ratio. So the 50meg should be 12.5 mbit upload to be comparable

[AbyssUnderground]

Originally Posted by hokkers999

I took the 512 kbit service as soon as it was offered, that was 128k UP. ie a 4:1 ratio. So the 50meg should be 12.5 mbit upload to be comparable

Even a 10:1 radio would make it perfectly acceptable and I'd certainly buy it.

[InsaneNutter]

So the reason upload speeds are so slow is basically to save money? I have always wondered this. It sounds hard to believe it’s cheaper to offer 50mbit down then 20mbit with say 5-10mbit upload.

I’ve had NTL/Virgin since 2001 and the download speed has gone from 512kbps to 20mbps yet the upload speed has only gone from 128kbps to 768kbps.

[Tiger33]

I would love the option to offload download speed for upload speed

i.e take say 25mb for 10mb up or 5mbit up


really need better upload

im always uploading and its soooo slow its crazy!!

very hard to maintain all my websites / backups etc with such a slow upload

[Fatec]

Not gonna happen.

Maximum any of you will see on 50Mbit is 2.5Mbit upload.

Though it's still set to launch with 1.5Mbit

Maybe i'll eat my hat and they'll launch it with 6Mbit upload and STM free.

Maybe elvis isnt dead, either.

Originally Posted by TraxData2

Not gonna happen.

Maximum any of you will see on 50Mbit is 2.5Mbit upload.

Though it's still set to launch with 1.5Mbit

Maybe i'll eat my hat and they'll launch it with 6Mbit upload and STM free.

Maybe elvis isnt dead, either.

LOL

[ryuzaki]

1.5M is the absolute minimum you can get away with for 50M down. Any less and there simply will not be enough bandwidth to actually download at 50M, since to download you also need to upload reciprocal ACK packets and other management info.

If you do the maths, you can see that on 20meg you need about 550k absolute minimum to sustain that kind of speed down, which with overhead comes to a bit more.

Really, if they want 50meg to work as advertised (i.e. multiple simultaneous users all doing different stuff, including sending emails/uploading photos/gaming/iPlayer or other actions that generally cause outgoing traffic) then 1.5M is not enough. 5M might be closer to realistic for that kind of usage.

Hopefully eventually we will see fibre optic internet available with 100/100 symmetrical connections, but until then upload speeds are likely to remain ridiculous due to lack of competition.

[Impz2002]

Originally Posted by TraxData2

Maybe elvis isnt dead, either.

Everyone knows Elvis is alive and kicking ! he designed DOCSIS 3 !

Impz