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[Wildie]

For those who are just casual web users try using Tcpview it will show all connections in and out and which programs.

[oblonsky]

Originally Posted by rryles

The administrator only has access to the communications data if either:

a) the automated system keeps records of the raw unprocessed data
b) he alters the system so that it keeps records of the raw unprocessed data or forwards them in real time.

Unless and until one of these is true, I don't see it being an interception under the technical definition of RIPA.

(On a side note, I doubt phorm where that careful when they designed the system they used for the trials, but that could be hard to prove either way now)

The raw data is irrelevant in many respects. If the derivative could not be produced without access to the intercept data then it is intercept, clear and simple. IANAL but I know many good ones,

Originally Posted by pseudonym

Wildcards do not work in the hosts file (well not on windows at least - not sure about linux)

other domains include
a.webwise.net
b.webwise.net
c.webwise.net

Thanks pseudonym, and warescouse , and apologies I should have done this first.... had a search and found the following

http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog....s_illegal.html

About half way down appears to be quite a comprehensive list.
@ moderators - forgive if this is repeating anything earlier posted within this thread, I remember seeing it mentioned somewhere a few moons ago but thought it relevant for new visitors who will not have the time to read through 800 pages..... cue someone pointing to where it can easily be found .

EDIT: Update, and @Dephormation you may already know all this but thought this blog might be of use to you .. http://pathogenrush.blogspot.com/

And heres my collected domains for hosts file so far:-

127.0.0.1 www.nebuad.com
127.0.0.1 a.faireagle.com
127.0.0.1 b.faireagle.com

127.0.0.1 oix.net
127.0.0.1 oix.com
127.0.0.1 phorm.com
127.0.0.1 webwise.net
127.0.0.1 webwise.com
127.0.0.1 sysip.net
127.0.0.1 qkilbdr.net
127.0.0.1 121media.com
127.0.0.1 openinternetalliance.com
127.0.0.1 openinternetalliance.net
127.0.0.1 youcanoptin.com
127.0.0.1 youcanoptin.net
127.0.0.1 youcanoptout.com
127.0.0.1 youcanoptout.net

127.0.0.1 a.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 b.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 c.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 bt.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 m01.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 m02.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 ns1.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 ns2.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 www.webwise.com
127.0.0.1 webwise.com

127.0.0.1 a.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 b.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 c.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 bt.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 m01.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 m02.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 ns1.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 ns2.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 www.webwise.net
127.0.0.1 webwise.net

127.0.0.1 a.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 b.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 c.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 bt.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 m01.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 m02.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 ns1.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 ns2.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 www.webwise.org
127.0.0.1 webwise.org

127.0.0.1 a.oix.net
127.0.0.1 b.oix.net
127.0.0.1 c.oix.net
127.0.0.1 m01.oix.net
127.0.0.1 m02.oix.net
127.0.0.1 ns1.oix.net
127.0.0.1 ns2.oix.net
127.0.0.1 www.oix.net
127.0.0.1 oix.net

127.0.0.1 a.oix.com
127.0.0.1 b.oix.com
127.0.0.1 c.oix.com
127.0.0.1 m01.oix.com
127.0.0.1 m02.oix.com
127.0.0.1 ns1.oix.com
127.0.0.1 ns2.oix.com
127.0.0.1 www.oix.com
127.0.0.1 oix.com


Time to shut down ReturNil and say nightnight I think.

Edit 2: Forgot to mention the above should ideally be added to the best hosts file imo found so far which is located here...
http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

But have a good read first. Its updated occasionally.

[fidbod]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I can reveal exclusively on this forum who was on the end of the red telephone line. It was the same person who provided the extensive legal advice prior to the trials...

Spoiler: 

---------- Post added at 00:26 ---------- Previous post was at 00:22 ----------



I'd say the chances were quite high.

In fact, better than quite high. More like, designed, coded, tested, ready to deploy.

http://www.dephormation.org.uk/serve..._cdr/usage.php

The thing BT haven't yet grasped... there is an eternity of pain ahead when this launches. Endless, unending, utter misery ahead. Without even venturing into the realms of illegal hacking.

I'll spare the details. Pain agony endless suffering and more pain.

That's before anyone makes a DPA section 11 complaint, fraud complaint, computer misuse complaint etc.

Never mind the technical and operational issues of keeping this house of cards running long enough to say "thankyou for phoning the helpdesk - all our operators are busy".

I cannot tell you how happy this makes. I wiil be contacting all the blogs I frequent.

Alex - this campaign lives or dies on you -stay with us!

Originally Posted by madslug

You forgot the most effective method - the hosts file!!!!! When that blocks, it is blocked.

Using the hosts file does speed up your surfing for so many reasons - the browser is not having to run its cookie decision routine and the server is not having to make requests to the internet for content that will be rejected by the browser.

For *nix users including Macs the hosts file is in the /etc directory. It is in different places on Windows machines - just search for a file called hosts [note: there is no dot and no extension]

Every host file comes with instructions, basically along these lines. Edit with a text editor (NotePad is ok - not WordPad). Save a backup before you start editing. Add the following:

www.webwise.net   127.0.0.1
www.webwise.com   127.0.0.1
bt.webwise.com    127.0.0.1
www.oix.com       127.0.0.1
webwise.bt.com    127.0.0.1
etc
for each webwise, phorm and oix domain

Check that the saved file has not had .txt added as an extension by the text editor - rename as necessary, it must be hosts or it will not work.

For those unsure of navigating Windows to locate your HOSTS file:

In Windows XP, an easy way to edit the HOSTS file is to go Start / Run and type into the run field:

notepad %systemroot%\system32\drivers\etc\HOSTS

An click the Ok button

To create a backup in Notepad go File \ Save As and use the drop down menu at the bottom of the save as dialogue box to select "All Files" and name the file HOSTS.bak - exit Notepad and run the above command to open the original HOSTS again for editing.


More here

[serial]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Yes I found it a little strange to find out that Kent has basically been going around the Houses of Parliament "slagging me off". ...
Kent seems to think I am some dangerous fanatical cult leader and you are all my followers

It's just a way for Kent to try and spin the publics disgust at what he's doing to MP's etc.

I think the perception that people promoting civil liberties are somehow fanatics is quite popular in government.

What these people need to realise is that the campaign to stop Phorm started before Alex got involved and will continue if he chooses to stop being involved (though unlikely).

[isf]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I can reveal exclusively on this forum who was on the end of the red telephone line. It was the same person who provided the extensive legal advice prior to the trials...

Spoiler: 

Hmmm, almost a perfect facial match for someone else...

Spoiler: 

Would they really call their own AI bot?

[Kursk]

The Wiki definition of a Devil's Advocate is "someone who takes a position, sometimes one he or she disagrees with, for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure". .

When I got involved with this issue I hadn't heard of Alex and I was active for some time before I became aware of his involvment. I don't regard him as a leader or even a spokesman - to me he is an individual who has a contribution to make that compliments the efforts made by all of us and that includes being able to communicate with many people that few of us could ever get close to.

Phorm and BT would like to present Alex as a one man show with a bunch of lesser, weak-minded disciples following in his wake because they can make this all seem like the only opposition to Webwise comes from one source.

No matter what anyone says about Alex he has my support and gratitude for everything that he has done in presenting this issue to a wider and often more influential audience.

[D_Advocate]

Originally Posted by Kevin T

I'm as impartial as you are...

... but I'm not a moderator - I don't need to be.

A_D

Hi Peter N good to see you again (Minky really has to get off the ale though )

I concur with Peters view here, my first introduction to Phorm and Webwise was not by any individual, more driven by my own concern and searches after viewing the following

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgZjeckpUXY

and the plight of Steven M.

I dont believe I have been seduced by anyone individual, and the only people who are producing anything like the truth are anti-phorm. Alex Hanff is by an unfortunate turn of events seemingly at the forefront of a group of people trying to represent the less informed and technically minded, which also unfortunately includes our government.

[D_Advocate]

Originally Posted by Kursk

The Wiki definition of a Devil's Advocate is "someone who takes a position, sometimes one he or she disagrees with, for the sake of argument. This process can be used to test the quality of the original argument and identify weaknesses in its structure". .

Exactly ... but with some embellishments.

D_A

---------- Post added at 03:44 ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 ----------

Originally Posted by fidbod

Alex - this campaign lives or dies on you -stay with us!

It's good to see all the troops rallying around the flag over the last 24 hours. Quite heartwarming.

D_A

Originally Posted by D_Advocate

Exactly ... but with some embellishments.

D_A

If something is exact then it is complete and can not be embellished.

Exact (adj)
1. Strictly and completely in accord with fact; not deviating from truth or reality: an exact account; an exact replica; your exact words.
2. Characterized by accurate measurements or inferences with small margins of error; not approximate: an exact figure; an exact science.

[D_Advocate]

Originally Posted by Peter N

If something is exact then it is complete and can not be embellished.

Exact (adj)
1. Strictly and completely in accord with fact; not deviating from truth or reality: an exact account; an exact replica; your exact words.
2. Characterized by accurate measurements or inferences with small margins of error; not approximate: an exact figure; an exact science.

Something can be exact (and at the time complete) at the time of definition or statement, but that does not prevent said definition from being modified at some future point in time, therefore producing a more exact (and more complete) and more accurate definition.

By virtue of your dictionary reference using the word 'Characterized', it can be presumed you are using an American, or Americanised dictionary. Perhaps you would be better using a UK English source for your look-ups.



D_A

You can not make something "more exact" - you can only correct a mistake or misunderstanding in a previously accepted belief. Your statement was a ridiculous as the traditional footballer's promise of "giving 110%" - it's nonsense.

Check the Oxford English Dictionary before attempting to correct me on my spelling.

How about posting something of merit - maybe something with actual content and a cogent argument to support you position? It's plain to me that you have nothing to say that will add to these discussions and that your only reason for posting here is not because you are "Pro-Phorm" but because you are "Anti-Anti-Phorm".

If you can't post something useful or relevent to this thread then you should start a new one.