Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

An induction coil system is not a network and is only doing the same job as an amplifier. "Hearing" the audio from an induction coil shouldn't be a problem any more than hearing through an open window or overloud microphone but deliberately monitoring or recording the AGM without permission may be.

If you are going to ask permission you need to also ask before recording.

In practice, any leakage will be very short range anyway an induction coil system that leaks into the street is a nuisance and should be reported.

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Roadrunner69...

Ken Turtleglue has a degree in politics - nuff sed!

I'm okay cos I'm immune to tear-gas. A couple of evenings in the same room as Minky and you'd understand why.

[DJTekno]

Originally Posted by Peter N

An induction coil system is not a network and is only doing the same job as an amplifier. "Hearing" the audio from an induction coil shouldn't be a problem any more than hearing through an open window or overloud microphone but deliberately monitoring or recording the AGM without permission may be.

If you are going to ask permission you need to also ask before recording.

In practice, any leakage will be very short range anyway an induction coil system that leaks into the street is a nuisance and should be reported.

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Roadrunner69...

Ken Turtleglue has a degree in politics - nuff sed!

I'm okay cos I'm immune to tear-gas. A couple of evenings in the same room as Minky and you'd understand why.

Or is that the homebrew's fault??? (That's if i'm recognising your avatar correctly!)

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by roadrunner69

Remember that kent has been doing the rounds in parliament for a while and many do seem to have taken his blah as fact. Look at the Don Foster situation, he was behind us all the way until he had a chat with kent...now he's gone very quiet
kent ertugral may be a right smarmy git in many peoples eyes but he certainly has charm and the gift of the gab when trying to convince people of his intentions.

I can't speak about the others, but my MP definitely went off the boil, even though I sent a detailed rebuttal of the BT parliamentary briefing paper. She is LD and signed the EDM but both she and Don Foster appear to have softened their stance dramatically. I have rebutted each Phorm falsehood that she has been fed but it has been a bit depressing to think she has swallowed the Phorm propaganda so easily.

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I don't know whether this is significant or not; it may be one of life's curious but meaningless co-incidences.

In 2007 a terrorist attack occured at Glasgow Airport, on 30 June 2007.

The best information I have to date is that BT conducted the second secret trials of Phorm systems between the dates 17 June to 7 July 2007 (which obviously overlaps the date on which that attack occurred). During this trial, supposedly, no advertising messages were served to the public.

Another curious co-incidence, the 7 July 2007 (perhaps the last date of the 2007 BT trial) was the second anniversary of the London Tube bombing on 7 July 2005.

This CBS article 'Was London Bomb Plot Heralded On Web?' 29 June 2007 sets some of the context, you might recall there was a failed terrorist attack in London's Haymarket. The following day, 30 June 2007, the Glasgow airport attack occurred. The UK was then on critical/severe security alert, and still is.

All of which is, at this point in time, purely co-incidence, I've no information to suggests otherwise.

[OldBear]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

It isn't working in VBox or VMWare either. How do you assign exclusive use in VBox?

Alexander Hanff

Alex, do you have an audio cable that you can plug into the headphone socket of the player with the other end to the line in of your pc sound card? Then if you have recording software (e.g Audition) on the PC, you can at least get some kind of recording made.

Just a mad suggestion as a temporary fix.

OB

Originally Posted by DJTekno

Or is that the homebrew's fault??? (That's if i'm recognising your avatar correctly!)

She only drinks real-ale the same as me. It's the wife's cooking that causes the pollution problem (and not just for the dog)

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Originally Posted by R Jones

I can't speak about the others, but my MP definitely went off the boil, even though I sent a detailed rebuttal of the BT parliamentary briefing paper. She is LD and signed the EDM but both she and Don Foster appear to have softened their stance dramatically. I have rebutted each Phorm falsehood that she has been fed but it has been a bit depressing to think she has swallowed the Phorm propaganda so easily.

I find it impossible to believe that 647 British MPs plus all of the members of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish assemblies all think the same way as Phorm. Even if Phorm are right and we are all wrong then I'd still expect a few of those MPs to be as wrong as us and to say so if only for want of a cause to champion.

I expected to see general apathy amongst the public especially as it's been so difficult to get the basic privacy arguments across and we have been fighting against professional spin doctors and cleverly written statements the whole time but the deliberate head-in-the-sand approach from Whitehall and Westminster surprises even an old cynic like me.

Corruption and vested interest reign supreme - for now.

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by Peter N

She only drinks real-ale the same as me. It's the wife's cooking that causes the pollution problem (and not just for the dog)

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I find it impossible to believe that 647 British MPs plus all of the members of the Scottish, Welsh and Irish assemblies all think the same way as Phorm. Even if Phorm are right and we are all wrong then I'd still expect a few of those MPs to be as wrong as us and to say so if only for want of a cause to champion.

I expected to see general apathy amongst the public especially as it's been so difficult to get the basic privacy arguments across and we have been fighting against professional spin doctors and cleverly written statements the whole time but the deliberate head-in-the-sand approach from Whitehall and Westminster surprises even an old cynic like me.

Corruption and vested interest reign supreme - for now.

I will alert my MP again to the Lords committee discussion

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by OldBear

Alex, do you have an audio cable that you can plug into the headphone socket of the player with the other end to the line in of your pc sound card? Then if you have recording software (e.g Audition) on the PC, you can at least get some kind of recording made.

Just a mad suggestion as a temporary fix.

OB

It's not a bad idea as the leads are readily available. As long as you start at a low level and increase it until it you get the optimum level, you could dump it as a wav file and see how good or bad the quality is and then clean it up.

[vicz]

Originally Posted by popper

it souldnt be a problem if they keep to that test feed,
WMV3,WMA2 ,320x240
mms://twofour.wmod.llnwd.net/a2238/d1/u/BT/AGM1_bb-001.wmv

see OT page #15 for more.

Test works a treat in VLC on OSX. Ta!

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Sad to see Juniper Networks getting into bed with NebuAd - need some diggs http://digg.com/security/Juniper_Net...ushing_Spyware

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I can't speak about the others, but my MP definitely went off the boil, even though I sent a detailed rebuttal of the BT parliamentary briefing paper. She is LD and signed the EDM but both she and Don Foster appear to have softened their stance dramatically. I have rebutted each Phorm falsehood that she has been fed but it has been a bit depressing to think she has swallowed the Phorm propaganda so easily.

Meeting up with them at a surgery, I've found, is very productive. I think MPs appreciate it too. And it gives you a chance to eyeball them.

Is there an opportunity to meet your MP?

[bluecar1]

wonder if the ICO gave this to BT and phorm ?

http://www.kablenet.com/kd.nsf/Front...9!OpenDocument

:grin:

[Wildie]

Originally Posted by bluecar1

wonder if the ICO gave this to BT and phorm ?

http://www.kablenet.com/kd.nsf/Front...9!OpenDocument

:grin:

you think they have a award for the worst, like our gov and its dept`s losing so much in such a short time 25million family`s and you can at least tripple that if you add in the avg family is 2+2.

[Dephormation]

Another less sinister coincidence...

BT's home page. Cheapo broadband with 18 month contract tie in (!!) and lots of free cack offer ends... hurry hurry... 17 July. That's one day after the AGM.

They must be desperate to get their churn rate back on track before investors start asking questions.

[Wildie]

what ever do you mean, are people leaving BT for a cheaper better phorm/webwise free isp,
that cannot happen oh no must be lies

btw that web page to me is a total BLANK ?

The £4.95 is for the first three months of an 18 month contract - the remain 15 months are charged at £15.99. Despite showing the hub and hubphone on the main advert and then showing the hub again on the Option 1 specific advert, you only get a basic ethernet router - no wireless. There's a 10G limit with charges for going over and there are some deliberately vague descriptions like BT Vision Ready - whatever that means and 250 wi-fi minutes a month (but only if you sign up for BT Fon and give away a chunk of your expensive bandwidth only to find that your router keeps crashing and there are no BT Fon hot-spots in the whole of the west of England).

Sounds like a bargain to me.