Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Portly_Giraffe]

Originally Posted by Peter N

... the idea that there has to be "a" victim is untrue as many offences don't need a specific victim - public order offences for example ...

And another good example is counterfeiting money.

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by OldBear

TLS, don't know if you (or anyone else) ever heard the interview Kent did with Charles Arthur (of The Guardian) back in March; if not, you can hear it here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...s.arthur.phorm.

This guy is a master at losing credibility just by opening his own mouth.

Listen how he:

Panics when he realises that we know about the dodgy forged cookies (and about how they work)
Claims that 121Media/ContextPlus never ever done anything wrong
Shifts the responsibility for the so called customer polls supporting his scheme over to the ISPs
Claims he has the full backing of the Home Office and 'other relevant authorities'
Is clearly making up some bits up as he goes along

and lots more...

Give it a listen, you'll laugh, cry and get mad all at the same time.

I'd love to hear that interview done again today, considering all the new information that has been uncovered since back in March; it would make very interesting listening.

OB

I had another listen to this today. I experienced all those emotions you mentioned.

I couldn't say for sure if he was really making it up because it was an mp3 and I couldn't see if his lips were moving.

[vicz]

SO how is this different from phorm, from a website owner's perspective? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ping_bravofly/

Ryanair is taking a Dutch airline website to court over the 'screen-scraping' of Ryanair's site. The no-frills airline claims that Dutch company Bravofly's activities violate the site's terms and conditions and infringe its intellectual property rights......Ryanair is claiming that Bravofly's alleged activities break laws on trade marks and copyright and amount to 'passing off'.
"We are taking this case because their behaviour violates our terms and conditions which state very clearly that you can't make any commercial use of our website," said a Ryanair spokesman.

[Wildie]

Originally Posted by vicz

SO how is this different from phorm, from a website owner's perspective? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ping_bravofly/

that puts Bt in the hot seat and if that is proven webbys rejoice

[popper]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

At the same time they are currently cashing in commercial property (old exchanges etc) at auction.

See here; http://www.breachwoodingram.co.uk/fo...n.php?all=true (see 'former BT property').

regards
Pete.

[Dreaming]
LOL you know, it might be werth buying up all these freehold BT buildings and land around the country, and setup a Co-Operative ISP ,were over time, the locals could have all kinds of interesting additions to the basic services that might be put there.... wireless Messed Wimax and all the rest

perhaps theres even some existing dark fibre already there directly to some well connected Co-Locations sites somewere ?, put loads of low bitrate free Meraki Outdoor units all over the place, hell ,even allow for point to multipoint 1gig wireless microwave kit directly to your home, if it's dreaming, might as well do it big

it would be nice to say to such a Co-Operative, i want IP Multicasting as standard to everyone,and secure https as standard to all, i want some rackspace and ports for the new Co-operative MC TV like the janet network use...

the potentials there, and people are starting to think it might be time to get away from these DPI intecepting ISPs, and we might as well have direct access to Uk based webside server space and all the benefits that gets you....
[/Dreaming]

Originally Posted by popper

well done, that needs posting on the
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...keup/comments/
Phorm is a crime or is not,There are rules that would suggest that it is... post , to backup the Q31 Earl of Erroll: points

...

and link all the external posts back here with direct urls to your posts, so people can follow the points made from that point...

Help... how do I add a link in an El Reg Comment text?

---------- Post added at 19:13 ---------- Previous post was at 19:11 ----------

Originally Posted by vicz

SO how is this different from phorm, from a website owner's perspective? http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ping_bravofly/

That is a B-E-A-UTIFUL thing. Thumbs up to Ryannair.

[popper]

i forget how but it can be done, you add something to the end of the ElReg base page URL

i just re-read my post , and realisd ,wrong end of stick , i ment copy any of your related CF posts into the ElReg story comments so they can copy/paste back here if they feel like it....

but im sure you can link the Elreg comments as above somehow, but cant find the references of how to do it....

[Opps]

Paul Delaney saves the day, see below

yes, its a shame ElReg dont allow live URL parsing to just (right)click and go

[Tarquin L-Smythe]

Originally Posted by popper

LOL you know, it might be werth buying up all these freehold BT buildings and land around the country, and setup a Co-Operative ISP ,were over time, the locals could have all kinds of interesting additions to the basic services that might be put there.... wireless Messed Wimax and all the rest

I hear they are keeping some buildings apparently something to do with storage of some Duff servers or similar ,phorm your own opinons
Maybe they'll be on Ebay

[kt88man]

Meanwhile, over the pond.

"Legal Implications of Online Behavioral Advertising Practices: Collection of Internet Content from ISPs May Violate Federal and State Wiretap Laws"

http://cdt.org/press/20080708press.php

[Tarquin L-Smythe]

Any truth in the rumour that Phorm may be going to join the environmentally friendly energy production by harnessing together banks of rotational devices for electricity generation and they will use small furry rodents to rotate the devices and generate power,it isto be called "Rodent Induction Power" and if successful you will see a lot of ads for Phorm RIP. personaly I think there are similar devices that could be converted for a small fee.but the sooner I see Phorm RIP the better.

Originally Posted by Hank

Help... how do I add a link in an El Reg Comment text?

Each El Reg comment is allocated an anchor point expressed as #myanchorpoint at the end of the URL

View and search the source code of the page for the text you want to link to:

<h3>Phorm is a crime or is not,There are rules that would suggest that it is...<a name="c_265300"> </a></h3>

and use the c_265300 as the anchor point reference like this: /#c_265300

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ents/#c_265300





EDIT: Did you mean create a live link from El Reg comments to here?

I'm not sure you can because they only allow plain text comments and you'd need to wrap the link with [ U R L ][ / U R L ] (html) to make it live.

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by Paul Delaney

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...ieless_optout/

NebuAd vows to eat it's opt-out cookie

i like the quote
"With an opt-in in place, a NebuAd has little hope of corralling the web surfers it needs to make its ad-happy technologies commercially viable. Heck, if an opt-in is required, most ISPs won't even sign the contract. They're more than willing to pimp your data, but not without an ample return."

so what happened to user wanting the service?? and the magical reports that say WE ALL WANT ADS

BT , PHORM you listening???

peter

Originally Posted by bluecar1

i like the quote
"With an opt-in in place, a NebuAd has little hope of corralling the web surfers it needs to make its ad-happy technologies commercially viable. Heck, if an opt-in is required, most ISPs won't even sign the contract. They're more than willing to pimp your data, but not without an ample return."

Yeah - I was tempted to comment:

I know of one idiot ISP that signed up!

It becomes more and more obvious that BT did very little research before comitting themselves to this...

Probably a poor analogy but when being interviewed about his addiction to sex by Jonathan Ross, when asked the question "Do you take precautions?" Russel Brand answered:

"Well yes, first I make doubly sure that it is a woman, then I'm straight in there!"

BT obviously went straight in and omitted to make the most fundamental of checks first...

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by Wildie

that puts Bt in the hot seat and if that is proven webbys rejoice

I'm not a great fan of Peter Ryan, but he fights like a lurcher after a hare, so if we can point him at BT/Phorm/Webwise it might be a very entertaining little exchange. I think he enjoys taking on the big ones. I'll investigate sending something to him tomorrow.

[AlexanderHanff]

What a day. They wouldn't let me on the train because the doors closed as I got on the platform (screw up in the ticket office delayed me) so I was an hour late for my CoL Police meeting (they were very good about it though).

I explained that I would be presenting them with a case file on the day of the protest too and initially they thought it came under the jurisdiction of the communications commissioner (as you lot discussed earlier today) however I pointed out that the Home Office has stated it was the responsibility of the police and the Chief Inspector who was in the meeting actually agreed. So we may get somewhere next week with the case file. The police will be providing 10 officers throughout the protest in the interests of public safety and they will be providing some barriers too. They are perfectly happy about the protest and have no issues.

Now on to the House of Lords. First they serve fantastic coffee! But on to the serious stuff. My meeting with the Earl lasted almost 3 hours and it was an incredibly interesting discussion, he is very easy to talk to and I have most of our discussion recorded (we had a chat about it all first before I started recording).

I haven't listened to the recording yet (just got back very very long day) but I will go over either tonight or tomorrow and it will be put online within the next 48 hours (dependent on how much cleaning up I need to do on the sound.) Be aware in advance that there will be some background noise as we were in a room with other people as well, so you will have to put up with that.

Anyway, just wanted to update you all, it was a very positive experience today and a little spoiler for you, the Earl doesn't think the Phorm system will be deployed at any point in the near future and perhaps not at all, he also feels if BT do deploy it, it would be a very serious mistake.

Back soon,

Alexander Hanff
PS I will probably have a cold or something on event day because I got absolutely SOAKED today in London.