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Florence · 02-07-2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Well if you're happy to all agree never to talk about 121 again that suits me

Hammy that is the best laugh I have had for days but sorry it is impossible since 121media is phorm as phorm is 121 media

phormwatch · 02-07-2008, 16:31

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Originally Posted by R Jones

Just to show that BT are keeping themselves sharp and on the button legally speaking here's a copy of my latest (and last) correspondence with Emma Sanderson: (on the topic of website copyright). It contains some great quotes for use in court!

My email to Emma Sanderson: (in full)

[I]Greetings.
Today's topic is the much neglected subject of website copyright which BT/Phorm seem to think does not apply to them.

I keep saying that someone should put this to the test. AFAIK, all BT domains use http, are on the web and allow themselves to be crawled by Google search engines.

This would mean, according to them, that all BT websites have their copyright nulled and are open to commercial exploitation.

Should we figure out a way to commercially exploit BT websites?

02-07-2008, 16:33

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warescouse · 02-07-2008, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Florence

Hammy that is the best laugh I have had for days but sorry it is impossible since 121media is phorm as phorm is 121 media

Could you remind me Florence, my brain is beginning to get very tired. What did 121Media do before they were known as Phorm. Were they great leaders in the anti-spyware and anti-Phishing business?

BetBlowWhistler · 02-07-2008, 16:34

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Originally Posted by phormwatch

I keep saying that someone should put this to the test. AFAIK, all BT domains use http, are on the web and allow themselves to be crawled by Google search engines.

This would mean, according to them, that all BT websites have their copyright nulled and are open to commercial exploitation.

Should we figure out a way to commercially exploit BT websites?

How about re-selling their phones and services and use the marketting material directly from their own web-pages so you don't have to spend loads on web-site development.

Ryewolf · 02-07-2008, 16:35

I use AVG, which has an inline link checker for all search results on the major search engines, it's completely free and updates automatically, and gives visual clues to the safety of the links on the page. Best of all it doesn't require me to having my entire browsing history profiled.

OldBear · 02-07-2008, 16:37

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Originally Posted by R Jones

Just to show that BT are keeping themselves sharp and on the button legally speaking here's a copy of my latest (and last) correspondence with Emma Sanderson...
<snip>

Great letter, Robert.

Quick question for you; did you ever get Emma S. to explain how they are going to explain the forging cookies issue, especially with regards to sites who don't use cookies, and explicity state they don't in their privacy policy?

OB

warescouse · 02-07-2008, 16:37

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Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler

How about re-selling their phones and services and use the marketting material directly from their own web-pages so you don't have to spend loads on web-site development.

Could we not write a couple of BT webpage scrapers. We could change all the BT numbers within to our own and reap the rewards. (It is legal that, ain't it?)

phormwatch · 02-07-2008, 16:39

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Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler

How about re-selling their phones and services and use the marketting material directly from their own web-pages so you don't have to spend loads on web-site development.

What's Emma's email address? I will ask her if she thinks it would be OK if people commercially exploit BTs websites for the same reasons.

rryles · 02-07-2008, 16:41

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Originally Posted by phormwatch

This would mean, according to them, that all BT websites have their copyright nulled and are open to commercial exploitation.

Should we figure out a way to commercially exploit BT websites?

I know where you're coming from but I'm not sure this is the wisest course of action. Don't want to give them the ammunition to shoot us with.

phormwatch · 02-07-2008, 16:43

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Originally Posted by rryles

I know where you're coming from but I'm not sure this is the wisest course of action. Don't want to give them the ammunition to shoot us with.

I'd like to hear what Emma has to say, though.

davews · 02-07-2008, 16:44

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Originally Posted by Ryewolf

I use AVG, which has an inline link checker for all search results on the major search engines, it's completely free and updates automatically, and gives visual clues to the safety of the links on the page. Best of all it doesn't require me to having my entire browsing history profiled.

This latest offering from AVG has been strongly criticised in many circles. It not only looks at all the links in a Google response page but also downloads those pages and analyses them to see if they look like phish. Exactly like Phorm is doing with its profiling. Many web authors are up in arms about all the increased traffic their sites are getting from this new AVG 'feature'.

By the way, Opera's anti-phishing is also free, uses a remote database updated real time, needs no action from the user in downloading.

rryles · 02-07-2008, 16:47

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Originally Posted by phormwatch

I'd like to hear what Emma has to say, though.

No harm in that

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Originally Posted by rryles

Have you not been paying attention?

Firefox's anti phishing features are free, continually updated and do not require the user to waste time on downloads and updates.

Webwise will never be able to protect against all the threats that a PC based solution can.

Should I assume from your silence HamsterWheel that you agree with me?

serial · 02-07-2008, 16:49

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Originally Posted by Anonymouse

[FONT=Arial](OT for a bit) Don't worry about it at all, because even if you have a supercomputer, you're not going to break public-key encryption this side of the Sun going nova, at least not until someone proves the Riemann Hypothesis* - and trust me, that ain't gonna happen any time soon because no-one on this planet has the slightest idea as to how to prove it, or even disprove it (it's believed to be true, and mathematicians are praying to God that it is true, because a number of major theorems are based on the assumption that it is!). They can spend as much dosh on it as they like, and waste years of computer time (that's computer-years, not man-years) - the difficulty in breaking encryption is [I]mathematically fundamental.

You mean like this:

A proof of the Riemann hypothesis
http://arxiv.org/abs/0807.0090

Funny how this came up, I'd never heard of the Riemann hypothesis before.

Florence · 02-07-2008, 16:50

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Originally Posted by warescouse

Could you remind me Florence, my brain is beginning to get very tired. What did 121Media do before they were known as Phorm. Were they great leaders in the anti-spyware and anti-Phishing business?

Think you have a word to many drop anti and you will hit the nail firmly on the head, also don't forget that evil rootkit, hijacking browsers and saturating the computer with adverts.. Where have I heard similar recently oh yes BT want to implement webwise run by a company called phorm using a network rootkit hijacking the browser to stalk the user then supply adverts to line his pocket with gold.