DPI, Phorm, Webwise subthread for all things OT BR

[popper]

as per Florences idea #10414 in the main mega Phorm thread, heres another potential Mega thread, to put all your longer term OT but related posts subjects and link back between the threads.

just so its clear , i make this a nothing is OT here (subject to generic forum rules OC) as long as it in some way relates to fighting this world DPI/tech interception for profit intrusion.

OT posts are good for taking and bringing to light new avenues to explore so go to it.

linking like this #10413 is easy here, left click and highlight the post No you wish to include, release the mouse button, press right mouse and select "copy" not copy URL, then simply paste into the new post.

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Originally Posted by Ryewolf
There's also another address for the website without using swear words
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/

Just KFO'd both Phorm and Kent

their website tracker tools are interesting to
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/?action=tools

kents No is 45
phorm No is 132
Bt No is 44

do you have to be registered before your comments show up there?, i cant seem to see any of my or anyones comments! in the "Reasons/Comments" sections.

i clicked add reason/comment, entered my reasons and then clicked the nominate in the right order but nothing appearing... a Bug perhaps, or is it visable to registered users there?

BTW kents just gone up from 6 to 5 in the rankings, the stand alone tool makes a rattle noise when something changes, try it
http://www.kindlyfoxtrotoscar.com/?action=tools#tracker
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Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Data Protection Public Register
http://www.ico.gov.uk/ESDWebPages/Search.asp?EC=1
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Dephormation Pete #10385
"I've got a charming promo video, put together using a very old film clip from 1905 (taken from the 'Burglars slide for life').

I've used a brilliant royalty free recording of Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairies... by Kevin MacLeod of Incompetech.

The video is fab, and I'd love to share it. I can't because I fear it may still be in copyright (the script author died 67 years ago, worst case copyright may still exist for 70 years after the last performer/author's death).

Shame, I'd love to share it with everyone.

Makes me so angry BT think they can claim the right to ignore copyright with impunity, at the same time as they serve disconnection warning letters on their own customers for copyright abuse.



the creative commons video collection is a very good way to distribute and use copyrighted but re-usable content that others can also use to create their works

iv not read the exact rules but we/anyone can all use anything there for the good...

http://creativecommons.org/
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Share, Remix, Reuse — Legally

Creative Commons provides free tools that let authors, scientists, artists, and educators easily mark their creative work with the freedoms they want it to carry. You can use CC to change your copyright terms from "All Rights Reserved" to "Some Rights Reserved."
We're a nonprofit organization. Everything we do — including the software we create — is free.
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http://creativecommons.org/video

http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/7069

http://search.virginmedia.com/result...mmons+video&cr=

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the http://www.archive.org/index.php might be usful too.

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http://audiovideo.ngoinabox.org/?q=toolpage/125

seems like a good first look live CD (as in,you boot it, it works, without overwriting any of your real HD installed OS)for streaming your created videos and live streams for such as the protest as well.

give them a try in your back garden on the laptop, and make sure you have it down and right first time, and/or can work out the bugs that show up, so you dont get it wrong on the protest day

remember...no matter were you are in the country, you can add your voice to the london meeting protest , even if your on your lunch break, in the office, and want to contribute in some way.

SO DO IT, in whatever way you are able to assist....

[popper]

an easy way to find content for your new creations perhaps
http://search.creativecommons.org/

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http://blog.clickz.com/080627-142001.html
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June 27, 2008

IAB Membership Extended Way Beyond Publishers

Perusing the Interactive Advertising Bureau's membership pages, I came across a host of companies I was surprised to see, including several non-publisher firms listed as "General Members." I thought general membership (as opposed to associate membership) was exclusive to online publishers. Not so, anymore, I've been told.

According to chief Randall Rothenberg, the group revised its bylaws. Now membership is "open to sellers of interactive advertising inventory."

OK. So how come ad tech companies like Eyeblaster and ISP ad targeting firms NebuAd and Phorm, which serve and target ads rather than selling ads, are general members?
"We're still a sellers' organization," he responded. "But you always have to qualify that by saying there is so much breadth and diversity, the lines aren't as clearly drawn."



Posted by Kate Kaye at June 27, 2008 2:20 PM
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well thats interesting ,as is the pdf and its diagrams
http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/200...istleblow.html
"AT&T Whistleblower: Spy Bill Creates 'Infrastructure for a Police State'
By Ryan Singel June 27, 2008 | 1:14:59 PMCategories: NSA


Mark Klein, the retired AT&T engineer who stepped forward with the technical documents at the heart of the anti-wiretapping case against AT&T, is furious at the Senate's vote on Wednesday night to hold a vote on a bill intended to put an end to that lawsuit and more than 30 others.

...
"
http://blog.wired.com/27BStroke6/att_klein_wired.pdf

[popper]

hmm , no one interested enough in the OT BT phorm thread content so far to comment?, nice to know your all so focused on the main event, and putting all your effort into that.....

anyway...., i thought id try and find some simple server side video content systems for use for the protest and beyond that anyone can install and use on their home or ofice PCs.

heres one thats got a demo install for you to play with.

it (Plumi) is very clunky and would need some serious tweaking to make it far more automatic, but the basics seem to work in a 3 step/page click and fill, and i uploaded Petes
"conniving Kent Collecting Content"

check this link out

http://demo.plumi.org/Members/pip99/...archterm=depho

remember thats just a demo, so not for our general use, only testing, but take a look and see if that fills and fits a need to encurage far more protest video's you can then run directly off your Broadband connection for the lead up to the protest and beyond....

or even better , if you can get permission to run a video server on the company webside servers to get far better thoughput and smother playback perhaps.... OC if you already have your own Co-Location server its not a problem to install your video server/Nas web frontend of choice (providing one fits the need exactly,non so far as far as i can find...)to make it easy to upload any format of video you care to make and stream etc.

i assume it can work with most of the windows ported self contained zips, so linux isnt a 100% need.

PHP version 4.3 or greater
MySQL version 4.0 or greater
(Optional) Apache mod_rewrite module (for clean URIs known as Permalinks)

[popper]

#10453

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

I did have an idea of getting the video's Kent and his team posted to youtube then putting subtitles into English at the bottom as his advertising spyware magnate speak isn't anything like real English.

for example.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=QQULhWLWucM

"as far as the consumer proposition is concerned Webwise is a way of spying on internet users and getting private data about them. Think of it as spyware installed at your isp.."

I've grabbed the video using downloadhelper, but I can't seem to pop it into Movie maker I'll keep trying

its all about useing the right tool for the right job, it really is a mess out there but with the right tool its possible.

genericly speaking today, Mpeg2 codecs and .mpg containers that your video and audio sit inside, are the universal import and export formats used to edit,cut and paste your clips in most apps today.

its not perfect, and the final output is far larger than your AVC encoded mpg,mov,mp4,3g final videos, but alas AVC/H.264 cut,paste editors are still few and far between as are the far more versatile .TS(transport stream) A/V containers that all the DVB-* broadcasting use (good for combining many clips or seperate channels if you will, into one single fixed video stream.

to keep it simple, you need a cut and paste editing app that can take the video input (.flv in the case of tube, they are using some AVC/H.264 codecs now but in that .flv container)with the ability to cut and paste your clips then output to generic Mpeg2.

use these mpeg2 clips to then assemple your final video, and output as an .Mpeg container, using an mpeg2 codec, or AVC/h.264 codec for far smaller size for streaming etc.

see this site for lots of basic and not so basic tips.

http://makeinternettv.org/

http://www.squared5.com/

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by popper

hmm , no one interested enough in the OT BT phorm thread content so far to comment?, nice to know your all so focused on the main event, and putting all your effort into that.....

I don't think it's that I'm not interested, I think I'm a little swamped to be honest.

The main thread is bad enough to try and keep track of, now we have a second thread which is littered with references I don't understand and links I don't know whether I need to follow.

I've had a hard enough time keeping up with what's been going on in the main thread, I can see the need for a thread to keep us up to date with the main developments but I have to confess that I really don't know where this particular thread is going

I'm not trying to belittle the work that you're putting in though, honestly - I think you're all doing an amazing job. I think the problem is that I may just be a little too stupid to understand it all in its current format

[popper]

fine , raistlin your not , its just different skills or interests for different people

its ok you, or anyone else doesnt NEED to keep track of this OT thread, but its here to fill the gap , in this case to help encurage people to make video for the protest....

but anything that might become more than a one off OT comment can find its way here to be expanded on without filling the main Phorm thread.

this sites main purpose after all, is helping people learn new skills, and makeing your own video clips for the web is quite fun at times.

"littered with references I don't understand and links I don't know whether I need to follow." if the subject interests you, or you might have an itch to try, then people here as always, are willing to try and help others that need or want the help.

you know this raistlin being here all the time, but many new users comeing to CF because of the Phorm thread might not realise , Cf is there to help an encurage helping community and growth.

i dont know everything about video, and i learn new stuff every day, this weekends goal was to try and find simple server software, to try and help people that might be wanting to take part in the protest but cant get there in person.

you can make these protest video's no matter were you are, and upload them to the likes of youtube, but you, or more importantly, the other interested new people wanting to find out more information, dont have a good way to keep track and comment on the page of the content (i hate the youtube look and feel, its only good for pointing to the content indirectly, and you cant easily download the content to re-edit it if its CC allowable).

those references above fill one of those needs, and means if you have a broadband connection anywere, you could if you liked, install those Audio and video server apps on your own personal web server running straight off your home PC connection, and point people to it directly on the protest day....or before, as one single option.

weather you pre-loaded it with unseen content you made ready for the protest day, or live as it happens in your part of the country, in your office, your local shopping centre, or anywere you can take a laptop and video cam and get a net connection.

its not just the TV pro's that can do this live reporting, you can do it too with a little preperation and and practice before hand.

OC it might be better if Alexander and the other webside website owners here installed them for anyone to easily use upload nnd have live comments posted against it.

as they have the speed, and the extra bandwidth to play with, but the more people that try, the better to get a full coverage of any live video anyone in the country might make in support of the protest.

not least the totally unaware or assuming new users that we will reach on the day, they might have a mobile phone cam handy , and on the spur of the moment if their informed they can, want somewere to send this video that relates and links directly the protest, hence some coordination might be a wise thing to forsee and plan for, even if its only one single site to link all the protesting audio and video uploading in realtime.

somewere were you can download the CC content and re-edit it, if thats your thing, content is king, and in this situation, being able to edit it is good to get the messages out.

i might be focusing on this one subject to much this weekend, and people might not see why, but the one main reason is simple,

the more video we collect, and help create now, and on the day, the more Anti Phorm/DPI for profit video we have later to use as PR promo's and information points of reference later...

for instance a VIP or two turn up at the demo, some users perform an interview, with two mobile phones (or any combination of DVcam etc)available, you can then point one cam at the interviewer, and one at the interviewee, upload them both, and someone at home can take them both, and edit it into a new 3rd video, pro news style instead of panning between the two people and lossing the dramatic effect or expressions.

just a simple one off example of forward thinking to create something far better looking, and harder hitting later.

anyway enough of my waffle

[NTLVictim]

More threads the better, more dissemination and Google hits...all we have to do, is keep talking.

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by popper

#10453


its all about useing the right tool for the right job, it really is a mess out there but with the right tool its possible.

genericly speaking today, Mpeg2 codecs and .mpg containers that your video and audio sit inside, are the universal import and export formats used to edit,cut and paste your clips in most apps today.

its not perfect, and the final output is far larger than your AVC encoded mpg,mov,mp4,3g final videos, but alas AVC/H.264 cut,paste editors are still few and far between as are the far more versatile .TS(transport stream) A/V containers that all the DVB-* broadcasting use (good for combining many clips or seperate channels if you will, into one single fixed video stream.

to keep it simple, you need a cut and paste editing app that can take the video input (.flv in the case of tube, they are using some AVC/H.264 codecs now but in that .flv container)with the ability to cut and paste your clips then output to generic Mpeg2.

use these mpeg2 clips to then assemple your final video, and output as an .Mpeg container, using an mpeg2 codec, or AVC/h.264 codec for far smaller size for streaming etc.

see this site for lots of basic and not so basic tips.

http://makeinternettv.org/

http://www.squared5.com/

It's funny how much good stuff is out there if you know where to look. I had never come across mpeg streamclip until you referenced it. I use 'Super' http://www.erightsoft.com/SUPER.html
for a few of my video conversions.

[kt88man]

Originally Posted by NTLVictim

More threads the better, more dissemination and Google hits...all we have to do, is keep talking.

Indeed, as BT once said ... "It's good to talk" ... and, talking of Google hits, have you noticed the steady increase in the newsgroups

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...=Search+Groups

a few are quite interesting in as much as Phorm is getting a mention in some unexpected places.

[popper]

rob "Formerly know as 'Raistlin' your confusing me now

this Mux Power seems interesting http://mux.am/power/ but it didnt do a very good job of keeping audio sync with the kent youtube video above, i dont know if thats because of the youtube encoding (another reason to dislike tube)or the mux.am encoding it to mpeg2....

http://mux.am/power/process.jsp?ts=1214764716088

but still werth a look and play perhaps for any protest video you find online, or make and feed it as a test convertion....if thats required OC.

looks like fun for auto conversion and perhaps insertion into any video server you might setup and run using the email notification....

[Raistlin]

Originally Posted by popper

rob "Formerly know as 'Raistlin' your confusing me now

Sorry, no hiding behind an Alias once you're on the Team - no privacy in this game

[popper]

todays daily wirless http://www.dailywireless.org/2008/06...ard-mobilizes/

covers a lot of ways to get and extend wireless net coverage , but the main part of interest for the demo and related wants/needs is probably the Free streaming video solutions near the end.

OC i like (always have since the rootnet days) the The Meraki Outdoor unit with the WiMAX modem pluged into it, to create an almost instant free wireless Mesh LAN and web gateway for anyone to use on a temp basis at such events as you might attend, but thats just me.

low power wireless Mesh networking and long distance are my want for the future.

preferably free after the initial hardware layout OC, and shared with other like minded people looking to bypass the ISPs total control of your data as much as possible...

all the way to a direct or mesh routed reasonable Co-Location site shareing the running costs by the likes of community Co-Ops and the like, some day.

OC thinking about the demo or other future event,if your in range of a wimax provider or are likely to be so at an event or near home, then it might a good thing to consider taking with you one of those and a meraki or two including the solar pannels or a lashup power of some sort, and share that bandwidth with others attending on the day .perhaps....

[Sherlock614]

Forgive my ignorance / stupidity / intellect - But i haven't the remotest idea what this thread is about!

[popper]

its for things like this if needs be

as in,planting off topic but relevant posts to the main Phorm thread here...
#11185

just incase you want to move it here

Originally Posted by popper

this is interesting
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...vis_interview/
David Davis tells El Reg that Labour is 'mesmerised' by tech

Liberties sacrificed for 'an illusion'

By John Ozimek → More by this author
Published Friday 4th July 2008 11:43 GMT

looking up John on that link
http://search.theregister.co.uk/?author=John%20Ozimek
he did this too
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/06...otography_law/
So, what can you photograph?

Anything - bar a few exceptions

By John Ozimek → More by this author
Published Monday 23rd June 2008 10:41 GMT

it seems like the perfect laymans handbook for your good points ,well made, Peter

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perhaps OT but it IS relevent to the bigger long term picture
if it looks like it might get lots of unrelated posts, mods can move them to the already provided BT BR thread below if they feel it becomes required.

hmm, good and bad points here, fibre good, Phorm bad, BT infrastructure better, Virgin Media Infrastructure over suscribed....
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07...bre_intellect/
Ofcom said.....(lets do a deal?)

"
Ofcom flashes cash guarantees at BT for fibre investment

Next gen network quid pro quo tabled

By Chris Williams → More by this author
Published Friday 4th July 2008 13:54 GMT

..."

meanwhile over on Ofcomwatch

perhaps it's just me ,but i cant agree with his implyed 'they were to busy' i get the feeling, it looks like theres no real End users Advocates for the new chair spot yet, or any real way to see justice done for thoughs that cant afford the high court baristers fees upfront....for that matter, perhaps the HoL can re-ballance that feeling with a little time and openly seen effort...!

http://www.ofcomwatch.co.uk/2008/07/...ral-injection/

[popper]

OT from ....#11520

Originally Posted by vicz

Hmmm Windows only it seems...

it souldnt be a problem if they keep to that test feed,
WMV3,WMA2 ,320x240
mms://twofour.wmod.llnwd.net/a2238/d1/u/BT/AGM1_bb-001.wmv

if anyone wants to Run a VLC in a video server mode on their webside webservers, or even your home BB connection if you have enough bandwidth OC ,you can always take any open video feed that VLC can see, and re-broadcast off your own private site for your friends to enjoy, it should be easy enough.

or you can even re-transcode (change from one format [wmv]to another [mpeg2]) containers for instance) on the fly.

if you want the simplest way to get the VLC command line output to use from a (secure and remote website)shell/cli , then the easy way is to just connect to VLC's internal websever, and play with the different trancoding/streaming output options from the web browser interface, then just copy paste the Streaming Output Destination (MRL) from that.

you will get the idea if you play around with some online video streams as your input.

shame Multicast isnt generally available over the web connection OC so generic old hat, and ineffective Unicast wil have to do, you might try mixing in "MTunnel" into the mix OC, but i dont know if you can get it to just work as a multi end user Multicast tunneled feed, I.e run one stream , and loads of your friends can connect to that single MC tunneled feed as long as they too are running that "mtunnel" at their end...

http://cheyenne-server.org/blog.rsp the webserver written in rebol could work as a quick and easy self contained small webserver for anyones need re broadcast or transcode their videos housed or streamed elsewere on the net (your live webcam FI)OC.

with a little bit of thought and testing, you should be able to VLC stream your webcam on your laptop at the AGM, to your webside server and have another copy of VLC there taking that single stream as its input, and re-broadcast it directly off the webside server, making that take the brunt of the mass streaming download demand, instead of your restricted wireless connected laptop webcam VLC feed.

a relay type connection if you will...