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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Some conclusions then; 
- ICO have comprehensively failed to understand Phorm, or demonstrate independent regulation
 
- ICO have not adequately investigated the trials of 2006, and particularly 2007
 
- ICO have not sought any technical data from BT during the investigation
 
- ICO have not sought independent industry expertise
 
- European Commissioners have similarly been fooled into believing Phorm, effectively mass communication interception, was some kind of privacy enhancing technology
 
- Simon Watkin of the Home Office has been engaged with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008
 
- BT have tried to pull the wool over the Information Commissioners, paying lip service to requests for information
 
 
 
Idiots all of them.
 
And we need to redouble the effort to get the message over.
 
I'm told Derek Wyatt MP is interested in Phorm.
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:17
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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				"we anticipate that matters may rest here" 
 
I don't expect that means what I hope it means, but it would be nice to think so. 
			
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 That's got to relate to the legal threats to Alex, surely?
 
EDIT : Great work Pete, have a coffee, your hands must be falling off!
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:24
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Well done Pete, bloody brilliant. 
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			26-06-2008, 18:24
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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				That's got to relate to the legal threats to Alex, surely? 
 
EDIT : Great work Pete, have a coffee, your hands must be falling off! 
			
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 It does...  https://nodpi.org/?p=10 is referenced in the e-mail
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:28
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			re: MP's 
 
I don't know about the House of Lords or the EU but the MPs go on their long summer holiday from 28th July. 
 
If we don't get any action out of them by then I doubt we will until late September. It would be a shame if any support by them fizzles out.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:38
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Dephormation
					 
				 
				Some conclusions then; 
- ICO have comprehensively failed to understand Phorm, or demonstrate independent regulation
 
- ICO have not adequately investigated the trials of 2006, and particularly 2007
 
- ICO have not sought any technical data from BT during the investigation
 
- ICO have not sought independent industry expertise
 
- European Commissioners have similarly been fooled into believing Phorm, effectively mass communication interception, was some kind of privacy enhancing technology
 
- Simon Watkin of the Home Office has been engaged with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008
 
- BT have tried to pull the wool over the Information Commissioners, paying lip service to requests for information
 
 
 
Idiots all of them.
 
And we need to redouble the effort to get the message over.
 
I'm told Derek Wyatt MP is interested in Phorm.  
			
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he is my MP, will drop him a letter, i am in brum tonight in a hotel, so plenty of time to email him and suggest if he want i can meet to explain more
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:48
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			so in a nut shell where does everyone stand now?
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 18:55
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			I'm just to the right of the fridge freezer and adjacent to the living room door.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 19:01
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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				I'm just to the right of the fridge freezer and adjacent to the living room door. 
			
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			26-06-2008, 19:26
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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				so in a nut shell where does everyone stand now? 
			
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 I don't. I'm sitting down, because I'm lazy like that.
 
(BTW, hi again all. Once again, I go away for a few days and miss some massive bombshells.)
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			Another "well done" here, Pete 
 
Webwise, Phorm, BT, Talk Talk, Virgin Media, The Home Office and DOI, 80/20 Thinking, a veritable army of PR parasites, lawyers,etc  ... 
 
Not a truthful word 
Not a shred of integrity 
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			26-06-2008, 19:38
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			WOW, excellent work Pete.  Hopefully this will cause more bad publicity for BT and they won't want to start the trial at the same time.
		 
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 19:39
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			
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					Originally Posted by  Dephormation
					 
				 
				Some conclusions then; 
- ICO have comprehensively failed to understand Phorm, or demonstrate independent regulation
 
- ICO have not adequately investigated the trials of 2006, and particularly 2007
 
- ICO have not sought any technical data from BT during the investigation
 
- ICO have not sought independent industry expertise
 
- European Commissioners have similarly been fooled into believing Phorm, effectively mass communication interception, was some kind of privacy enhancing technology
 
- Simon Watkin of the Home Office has been engaged with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008
 
- BT have tried to pull the wool over the Information Commissioners, paying lip service to requests for information
 
 
 
Idiots all of them.
 
And we need to redouble the effort to get the message over.
 
I'm told Derek Wyatt MP is interested in Phorm.  
			
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			26-06-2008, 19:48
			
			
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				Re: Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]
			 
			 
			
		
		
		
			
			 
WOOF WOOF pete.
 
Google found it so it must be ok :-)
		  
		
		
		
		
		
		
		
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			26-06-2008, 19:52
			
			
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				so in a nut shell where does everyone stand now? 
			
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 Joking aside... where does everyone stand now in light of this information? 
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