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[popper]

pete, i assume if this is the right PRweek, then the peoples pictures are in that bunch somewere, they even have a handy bulk download so you can save them for later sorting 500meg though
http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/articl...k-awards-2007/

dont know if its only valid for my connection but its bulked here
http://www.theimagefile.com/bd/a0725...7a62d0d145.zip

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Alexander, you'll love this.

Take a look at this document.

And BT seem surprised by the idea it should be opt in.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during that "little chat" mentioned at the end...

"Opt-In? You have to kidding surely? You realise that will kill our catchment figures? Surely there is an arrangement we can come to with regards to opt-out?"

Alexander Hanff

[Dephormation]

BT go into a tailspin as ICO tell them "consent is more than simply 'not opting out' ".



Even confirms "there would need to be some form of action where the individual knowingly indicates their consent to the processing".

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I would love to have been a fly on the wall during that "little chat" mentioned at the end...

"Opt-In? You have to kidding surely? You realise that will kill our catchment figures? Surely there is an arrangement we can come to with regards to opt-out?"

Alexander Hanff

And that was only due to 'a couple of luddites and an anorak' kicking up a fuss.

[mark777]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

BT go into a tailspin as ICO tell them "consent is more than simply 'not opting out' ".



Even confirms "there would need to be some form of action where the individual knowingly indicates their consent to the processing".

Surely big companies that seek extensive legal advice should not be surprised by this (PECR)?

[Dephormation]

European Commission get suckered too.

A question for any passing EU Commissioners, how is having your entire data communication intercepted a privacy enhancement?


Woah... it says Phorm should present its technology to the Article 29 Working Party.

Isn't that the working party 80/20 Thinking are chairing?

[vicz]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

More documents.

Home Office cover note from their advice document makes clear they have been involved with Phorm for 'some time' prior to January 2008... Details here

Update; the cover letter originated from Simon Watkin (see email address in the header)

Pete FYI the 'Home Office Covert Investigation Policy Team' is the team including Simon Watkin that ran the consultations on RIPA, inter alia.
http://p10.hostingprod.com/@spyblog.org.uk/blog/ripa3/

[Dephormation]

I've hesitated to scan the mails concerning earlier launch dates that BT cancelled.

I've included this one because it is more current, June 2008.

Its not clear whether the email originates from Phorm or BT, but it suggests either BT or Phorm were expecting trials to start in early June (obviously, the dates have gone by already)

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

European Commission get suckered too.

A question for any passing EU Commissioners, how is having your entire data communication intercepted a privacy enhancement?


Woah... it says Phorm should present its technology to the Article 29 Working Party.

Isn't that the working party 80/20 Thinking are chairing?

I'm not sure, but looking.

UPDATE: Doesn't look like they are fundamental to 'Article 29'.

Meanwhile... a little of their opinions, which incidently back up ours. TBH, I think they will be trying to sway opinion.

http://www.privacyinternational.org/...m20041115b.pdf

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PR? likely :

http://www.phorm.com/reports/Article_29_Apr8-08.pdf

This appears to be the ruling they reference:

http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...8/wp148_en.pdf

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

European Commission get suckered too.

A question for any passing EU Commissioners, how is having your entire data communication intercepted a privacy enhancement?


Woah... it says Phorm should present its technology to the Article 29 Working Party.

Isn't that the working party 80/20 Thinking are chairing?

There is conflict of interests and this needs to be highlighted to them. Simon needs to consider his reputation if he fails to declare conflict of interests and brings Phorm into this meeting he is turning his back on all the good work he completed before Phorm bought him.

An image that is worth looking at see if you can spot the difference?

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

I've hesitated to scan the mails concerning earlier launch dates that BT cancelled.

I've included this one because it is more current, June 2008.

Its not clear whether the email originates from Phorm or BT, but it suggests either BT or Phorm were expecting trials to start in early June (obviously, the dates have gone by already)

So, from that e-mail the trial was going to start on monday 9th June.
That may explain all the news articles stating the trial was 'imminent'

[popper]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

European Commission get suckered too.

A question for any passing EU Commissioners, how is having your entire data communication intercepted a privacy enhancement?


Woah... it says Phorm should present its technology to the Article 29 Working Party.

Isn't that the working party 80/20 Thinking are chairing?

i cant find the post on this thread right now, but yes it was something to do with them, but indirectly i seem to remember.

im keeping an eye on this http://ec.europa.eu/justice_home/fsj...s/index_en.htm
and nothing in their news seems to relate to it yet.

they (the Eu/A29WP) are asking for External Experts as in 3rd party tech experts to be on call to advise on web tech matters etc, but i cant find the direct URL to it now off there, perhaps some here can find it, and apply for some posts...

[Dephormation]

No DPI gets a mention as the trial in early June is cancelled.

Looks like ICO are talking to BT lawyers.

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The last, and perhaps the most intriguing of all the documents.

Mostly blacked out, but one phrase left to contemplate...

"we anticipate that matters may rest here"

I don't expect that means what I hope it means, but it would be nice to think so.

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

No DPI gets a mention as the trial in early June is cancelled.

Looks like ICO are talking to BT lawyers.

---------- Post added at 17:13 ---------- Previous post was at 17:05 ----------

The last, and perhaps the most intriguing of all the documents.

Mostly blacked out, but one phrase left to contemplate...

"we anticipate that matters may rest here"

I don't expect that means what I hope it means, but it would be nice to think so.

"[BT]considering our options....given the innaccuracy of much of the comment..."
[on nodpi.org? Page 10 - ad hijacking post]"

[Cogster]

Originally Posted by Deko

I bet BT/Phorm wish they could have stopped you getting that dossier of info.

Good work Pete.

Id echo those comments.. Seriously good job!