Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[NewsreadeR]

I apologise if there is any downtime.

So glad it wasn't Phorm, that would have been very malicious of them.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by Privacy_Matters

Hey Alex

I'm getting a conflict here - unless its been sorted or was a glitch.

What do you mean by getting a conflict? No it definitely wasn't a glitch, it was a genuine report I am in communications with the organisation who filed it to try and resolve the matter amicably.

Alexander Hanff

[Florence]

Originally Posted by NewsreadeR

So glad it wasn't Phorm, that would have been very malicious of them.

Do we know it wasn't them, even if it was Bt still the same.

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Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

What do you mean by getting a conflict? No it definitely wasn't a glitch, it was a genuine report I am in communications with the organisation who filed it to try and resolve the matter amicably.

Alexander Hanff

If they don't name and shame them since many people need this to protect their privacy and for an organisation to act in this malicous way is beneath contempt.

[isf]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

What do you mean by getting a conflict? No it definitely wasn't a glitch, it was a genuine report I am in communications with the organisation who filed it to try and resolve the matter amicably.

Alexander Hanff

Just send them an email offering to "enhance their privacy" and be sure to link bt.com, phorm.com, webwise and vm websites

That wasn't a joke BTW, Spamcop's URL block list is the joke.

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Well I guess I should have expected this sooner or later. Someone has added https://nodpi.org to Spam Cops spam lists because Entanet mentioned the protest with a link to the site in one of their partner newsletters.

I have been in communications with the party who filed the report and advised them to remove it. Apparently they don't want to receive Entanet newsletters any more so they feel the appropriate course of action is to pick one domain out of the entire newsletter and add it to a spam list as opposed to just unsubscribing from the newsletter.

If NoDPI.Org goes offline in the next 24 hours it is because we have not managed to resolve this issue. Our hosting provider take spam very seriously and have threatened to suspend our service should the issue not be dealt with within 24 hours.

Personally I think this wreaks of malicious intent, there is no way I can see a logical argument for reporting a single URL from a newsletter to a spam list as a valid or natural reaction to not wanting to receive the newsletter. One would expect the party to simply unsubscribe from said newsletter as opposed to taking offensive action against a single entity mentioned within the newsletter.

Needless to say the matter is being taken very seriously and Entanet have been contacted as well to help resolve the issue.

I apologise if there is any downtime.

Alexander Hanff

Alex, when you pointed out to your hosting provider that the matter is in hand you may also mention that there is a huge group of IT specialists that visit your site and they are not lovers of spam either. They often are on the lookout for good 'cheaper' hosting companies for their sites and also good Phorm-Free broadband providers.

Personally I don't think knocking your site off-line unreasonably so would be very good PR for them in the cut throat hosting business.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by warescouse

Alex, when you pointed out to your hosting provider that the matter is in hand you may also mention that there is a huge group of IT specialists that visit your site and they are not lovers of spam either. They often are on the lookout for good 'cheaper' hosting companies for their sites and also good Phorm-Free broadband providers.

Personally I don't think knocking your site off-line unreasonably so would be very good PR for them in the cut throat hosting business.

Well obviously I am hoping it won't come to that, but I do stand behind the provider's stance on spam. I am glad to see they took the issue seriously despite the fact that it was a false report.

Alexander Hanff

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

What do you mean by getting a conflict? No it definitely wasn't a glitch, it was a genuine report I am in communications with the organisation who filed it to try and resolve the matter amicably.

Alexander Hanff

Sorry Alex, deleted the post - just didn't see anything on the lists. Didn't consider that it would show at a later time (doh me lol).

[AlexanderHanff]

I can confirm that I have been invited by Steve Gibson to participate in a 3rd podcast they are now going to do on the DPI for behavioural advertising issue (Phorm et al). The show is scheduled for Security Now #152 (week after next).

Alexander Hanff

[OldBear]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I can confirm that I have been invited by Steve Gibson to participate in a 3rd podcast they are now going to do on the DPI for behavioural advertising issue (Phorm et al). The show is scheduled for Security Now #152 (week after next).

That's excellent, Alex; Steve made it clear in his last podcast just what he thinks of Phorm. WTG.

OB

[popper]

Originally Posted by Privacy_Matters

This should be possible. Creating an Add-on similar to AdBlockPlus, which includes a script to extract the first part of an ad address ie:

http://www.a.adscum.co.uk/adserver/adprovider/admorecrap/annoyingad.gif can extrapulate http://www.a.adscum.co.uk and add to the Host File.

Anyone care to have a shot at creating?

if you wanted to try giving it a go Privacy_Matters,
(i have but im just not suited to programing or even simple scripting these days, i try and try but alas nothing)
i know it can be done , i understand the tech etc with Rebol View, but as i say im not suited for it...perhaps you, or another reader is!

perhaps use this as a fully working base scipt, and point your browsers at its proxy 8080 (or whatever you like)instead of the generic http 80 port.
http://www.rebol.org/cgi-bin/cgiwrap...script=proxy.r

http://musiclessonz.com/rebol_tutorial.html
http://www.rebol.com/view-platforms.html

http://www.google.com/codesearch?hl=...&start=20&sa=N

someone might even make a nice cross platform rebol View GUI script for it with the NoDPI gfx included
http://www.rebol.net/plugin/tests/test.html

and just for fun ,heres a fully working Multicasting whiteboard script, if someone was real good thay could find the matching tunnel script and make a multicasting tunnel to distribute any and all hosts files globally to any DPI intercepted End users

you need to keep the scripts intact OC, but convert the french to english text OC googlefish doent do that good a job on it, others might.
http://www.rebolfrance.info/org/arti...multicast.html

MultiCasting Encypted tunnels for everything and everyone, is one of my pet wants
one day perhaps i might see it happen.

first up MC video and Audio OC as that saves your upload bandwidth, one single stream to many people at once =less than half your VM upload bandwidth at say 250Kbit/s

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on a related note, iv been looking for the simple how to's, the protesters might use to produce and stream their Audio and video blogs etc...

iv not tryed these, but it seems a reasonable LiveCD to try at home before you get there...

http://dynebolic.org/index.php?show=features

the HasciiCam streaming looks like it could be good fun and somewhat anonymous too given the ascii output, i dont know if it can use webcams as its input, but i assume it might be fine in the linux liveCD and a generic V4L WebCam, it will be good for low bitrate uploading rates such as 2,2.5,and lower rated 3G if you can get it to work.

again the dyne:bolic liveCD is involved, but this page seems to give you the layout and a good description of the included ready to run AV server/client apps on it.

http://audiovideo.ngoinabox.org/?q=toolpage/52

[mark777]

A bit off topic perhaps, but ties in with other posts here regarding 'unusual' behaviour with VM connections.

I'm by no means a heavy net user, the 2 Mbps service does me just fine, and using the speed test link here, that's just about what i've always had.

For the past few days though, it's been around 0.4 Mbps consistently (just tested again).

STM? Probably. Another nail? Certainly.

If they can't afford to provide the service I pay for, they should put the price up and I will decide to stay or not.

And on top of this, they are chumming up with phorm.

It's only the thought of paying BT for a line that has stopped me binning VM months ago.

[Wildie]

Originally Posted by mark777

A bit off topic perhaps, but ties in with other posts here regarding 'unusual' behaviour with VM connections.

I'm by no means a heavy net user, the 2 Mbps service does me just fine, and using the speed test link here, that's just about what i've always had.

For the past few days though, it's been around 0.4 Mbps consistently (just tested again).

STM? Probably. Another nail? Certainly.

If they can't afford to provide the service I pay for, they should put the price up and I will decide to stay or not.

And on top of this, they are chumming up with phorm.

It's only the thought of paying BT for a line that has stopped me binning VM months ago.

well thats the catch, looks good don`t it on a adverts a whooping 50meg speed but stm kicks in and you never see them speeds cos you ether in work or in bed. - feel sorry for the console users laggy gaming cant host properly and it dont half eat into the limits, come summer when the kids are off school

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Well I guess I should have expected this sooner or later. Someone has added https://nodpi.org to Spam Cops spam lists because Entanet mentioned the protest with a link to the site in one of their partner newsletters.

I have been in communications with the party who filed the report and advised them to remove it. Apparently they don't want to receive Entanet newsletters any more so they feel the appropriate course of action is to pick one domain out of the entire newsletter and add it to a spam list as opposed to just unsubscribing from the newsletter.

If NoDPI.Org goes offline in the next 24 hours it is because we have not managed to resolve this issue. Our hosting provider take spam very seriously and have threatened to suspend our service should the issue not be dealt with within 24 hours.

Personally I think this wreaks of malicious intent, there is no way I can see a logical argument for reporting a single URL from a newsletter to a spam list as a valid or natural reaction to not wanting to receive the newsletter. One would expect the party to simply unsubscribe from said newsletter as opposed to taking offensive action against a single entity mentioned within the newsletter.

Needless to say the matter is being taken very seriously and Entanet have been contacted as well to help resolve the issue.

I apologise if there is any downtime.

Alexander Hanff

it seems most logical, the attempt at subverting the AntiDPI Protest, probably came directly from this very thread.

after all, the failing Phorm Advocates and investers are all reading every word you, and others here type Alexander, we do have the best and most informed and helpful thread the internet can offer in innovative idea's and help, hay, we even get house of lords posting ,not to mention several House of Lords,representatives of the counties, cities, boroughs, and universities, forming the House of Commons etc reading the thread to stay informed, and welcome all, register and post away.

alas some Pro_phorm Investors/readers might have got the idea from a comment here the other day and thought ,ohh i dont know why i didnt think of that...and off they went.

its a high possibility that the same IP that reported your site matches an Ip visiting this thread, (they wouldnt be that silly and inept would they?........).

is it going to need some court time i wonder, if thats the case, no point in being shy, big hefty damages, etc would be the order of the day,a few injunctions, a court ordered documents and computer files discovery or two if you/we were forced down that path, might as well make it informative and full of publicly available court documents to the wider world watching.

its not just a big players game anymore, the End Users are learning fast, thanks to the Bank charges forcing us to learn the law of the land (see CAG etc)and forced to bring court cases to get some form of action and justice, do the ISP's and the boardroom Executive etc think they are any more protected than the Banks are!, i wonder.

do the corporations really want to go up against the worlds web Techs in this battle, again i wonder if they have thought that through, word of mouth is a VERY powerful thing, and the british bulldog spirit might still be alive in all of us yet....if pushed to far.

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by popper

and remember, even the people that cant get there in person for whatever reason, travelling costs, time off, disability ,etc, will hopefully get to be there in spirit, and online at least, if the realtime wireless web connections manage to keep up, as we watch any sound and video clips the attendees manage to upload realtime etc.

A very interesting post, sadly I will be one of them who is at the protest in spirit.

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Baroness Sue Miller,

A Big, Big Thank You!

[amanfromMars]

Originally Posted by mark777

Many people believe that there is already sufficient legislation for this to be stopped.

For some reason, it's just not being used.

Mark777,

It is not something which can be stopped, it is after all the raison d'etre of RSS Cookie Search and Feed. Organising it for Wealth to Flow rather be Spirited away and Banked is what all the Back Room Chatter/Underground Twitterings in Virtualisation are Ensuring?

The problem is at least two-fold in an Information Rich Environment [and it is anathema and a criminal affront to humanity to retain information and then to use it for selfish and political advantage]

1) Finding new Intelligent Source in the Flow Stream [and that too involves all those Spooky Agency types having a root around looking for gold nuggets and sparkling gems, which, if they have the necessary intelligence they will assimilate/accomodate/reinforce ... and if they don't, Private Enterprise will fill the Void and Provide all that they need too ..... thus creating a highly competitive Intelligence Environment for New Information Shared Freely and Spontaneously with the Web/Virtual Space. Whenever Privileged Information cannot be Guaranteed Safety/Secrecy in any Digital Network, Sharing it establishes Immediate Ownership and Any and All Rights with it.] and ....

2) Using any new Intelligence/Information. You can fully expect though that that is an opportunity which will be mentored by the Special Intelligence of the Cloud, which as can can Imagine must be Artificial, by Virtue of the Fact that it is necessary to Globally Interact with All Intelligence Systems.

Which really introduces and informs us that Artificial Intelligence Programs are also most likely to be Trialled and Streamed across the BroadBand Spectrum too with AIdDeeper Perspective to complement Higher Definition.

It also renders the Levers of Control to Virtualisation Pioneers. ... although it is an Open Field of Play with the Establishment well enough aware of their Plight, and the problem is Global/Universal ..... http://cryptome.org/dhs062508.htm

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do the corporations really want to go up against the worlds web Techs in this battle, again i wonder if they have thought that through, word of mouth is a VERY powerful thing, and the british bulldog spirit might still be alive in all of us yet....if pushed to far.
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