Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by serial

Also I noticed that BT Broadband payed for a full front/back cover ad of todays Metro. Virgin payed for 1 full page, one third page and one corner ad. I reckon they are getting desperate.

If they don't know now they will never know.

Virgin Media, show a bit of backbone, denounce Phorm and your customers will come a flocking!

[tarka]

the most successful advert any of the ISP's could use right now is...

"We don't and will NEVER intercept and analyse your browsing behaviour for ANY purpose"

That would attract a fair few "punters" I reckon.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by tarka

the most successful advert any of the ISP's could use right now is...

"We don't and will NEVER intercept and analyse your browsing behaviour for ANY purpose"

That would attract a fair few "punters" I reckon.

I used to think that but perhaps a more cunning plan is that VM will wait to see what happens with BT; if BT get away with running trials and subsequently get their dreamed of marketing revenue (off our backs), VM can jump on the bandwagon then.

If the fallguy BT plans go awry, VM can decide to stay away from Phorm and benefit from any likely migration claiming they never were really interested in the first place. It's BT who are taking the flak at the moment. VM are keeping their powder dry and gobs will stay firmly shut for now I reckon.

It's risky though. Upsetting customers on this scale isn't a good strategy.

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

If only the UK politicians had as much clout as the US:

Charter Freezes Web Eavesdropping Plan

If only.

[JackSon]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I am currently in discussions with an old friend of mine who is a producer for BBC's Newsnight to see if they would be willing to cover the Phorm issue. I can't promise anything but I have known him several years as a result of him interviewing me on Newsnight back in 2005 regarding another matter. He is a decent chap so he may run with it.

Alexander Hanff

What a satisfying daydream of Jeremy Paxman giving Kent and Emma a verbal shoeing. Shant let myself get carried away though, promise

[vicz]

Originally Posted by Frank Rizzo

If only the UK politicians had as much clout as the US:

Charter Freezes Web Eavesdropping Plan

Hmm sounds like they may be moving from their current script-injecting approach, which is like the original 121 pagesense/BT trial, to a more current phorm-like approach, which they will probably try to quietly implement 'transparently'.

[serial]

You know the drill people

Don't link from here, copy the address to your browser so it doesn't look like a campaign from cableforum

http://digg.com/tech_news/Charter_Fr...ng_Plan_Update

[bluecar1]

Originally Posted by warescouse

Excellent find. Lets hope UK powers that be do the same! One for the iii members to quote also?

posted on both BT and someone beat me to phorm

peter

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Originally Posted by serial

You know the drill people

Don't link from here, copy the address to your browser so it doesn't look like a campaign from cableforum

http://digg.com/tech_news/Charter_Fr...ng_Plan_Update

dugg but unable to post comment below

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Make sure you stop by the protest at BT's AGM on July 16th to try and stop Phorm from being deployed throughout the UK broadband market!

if we stop phorm it will make it more difficult for NebuAd to come to the UK, they have already setup offices in london and have a UK website that shows they are getting ready here

peter
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[Florence]

Originally Posted by warescouse

Perhaps another angle for the BT shareholders 'shindig' is a couple of sympathy posters for the poor BT shareholders to read.

Lets not forget it is their shares and funds are being put at risk by the possible Cavalier attitude of their Directors and Executives by associating BT with illegal data spying and poorly chosen partners in crime.

Where do you want me to post and what do you want me to post already posted a few times on one forum but sadly BT shareholders dont seem to watch forums.

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Originally Posted by warescouse

If they don't know now they will never know.

Virgin Media, show a bit of backbone, denounce Phorm and your customers will come a flocking!

Well I know VM must be when they start billing people who have left their discount back for a few months... I was even told that the 2 for £20 is a discount price when I pointed out I had requested last year to go back to 2 meg and they said the 2meg and phone was £20 so I accepted that..

Now when i checked the bill they are demanding paying it seems they are requesting discount back that is what three different people said..

Nice company lovely leter heading to them requesting full explenation of the bill with breakdown on how they come to the bill or a deadlock letter...

All this because VM want to pimp my clicks and I refuse.. Nice one VM and phorm.

[Mox3d]

I swear I am this close to going mad with VM. Phorm, STM and the anti procurement of warez and pirating as a supposedly targetted policy (potentially of both systems imho).

What is un-clear to me (certainly beyond the boundary of this forum) is exactly how a user can remain `anonymous' in the true sense of the word when advertising is meant to be targetted at them. Also, STM in it's operation directly renders advertising claims redundant and arguably misleading. 20mb per second is not 20 mb per second when it is throttled down to whatever less. Regardless of how the situation came to be, if a person is sold on what is labelled as a 20mb package and is using it, be it for online gaming, watching streamed video's on youtube or whatever then if the company seeks to cap peak downloads and reduce service to any individual, then surely that is unfair and not in compliance with the law. Oh well. The law appears as ambiguous as the service industry it is supposed to cover.

The fleeting written glances toward the guise of providing fair service for all is complete rubbish when in fact it is glaringly obvious that the opposite is the case. Taken to it's verbatim, is it now unreasonable to be able to expect 20mb per second 24 hours a day every single day of the year for your money ?

I don't believe so.

[Deko]

@Alex

I do hope that news(under NDA) you were talking about is pretty good for privacy and bad for Phorm.

When is it going to see light of day ?

[warescouse]

Originally Posted by Florence

Where do you want me to post and what do you want me to post already posted a few times on one forum but sadly BT shareholders dont seem to watch forums.
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Sorry Florence, when I said 'posters' I should have said 'placards' :-)

Although, putting the message across via forums such as you suggested must be a worthwhile exercise. I am certain forums are there to be read by someone.

Don't let VM wear you down!

Interesting mailing on UKCrypto today (http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pi...ne/084897.html). The gist of which references:

http://www.publications.parliament.u...htm#column_85W

[hOrZa]

Originally Posted by warescouse

Virgin Media, show a bit of backbone, denounce Phorm and your customers will come a flocking!

I really hope they do but with new STM measures, including night testing plus lab testing of application throttling I feel there is no hope of rescue for Vigin

[icsys]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Don't understand shares enough to know whether this is significant or not. Its the first financial news published for a while...

Transfer of Shares from Unrestricted Line (PHRX) to Reg S Line (PHRM)

"Dealings in the shares under the new ticker symbol are expected to commence on 30 June 2008."

121Media have had problems with this before.

With regard to the transfer of PHRX shares to PHRM REG S I wonder if Phorm had wind of the fact that their 'spy cousin' over the pond were to be frozen by Charter.

[NTLVictim]

Originally Posted by icsys

With regard to the transfer of PHRX shares to PHRM REG S I wonder if Phorm had wind of the fact that their 'spy cousin' over the pond were to be frozen by Charter.

I wonder how Nebuads' shares are doing?