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[davethejag]

Originally Posted by icsys

Is it the devil at work?

That link appears to be Yes loans

I was waiting for that one! and the Devil being?

Dave.

---------- Post added at 10:52 ---------- Previous post was at 10:47 ----------

Originally Posted by icsys

Is it the devil at work?

Yes loans. It is possible you clicked a link by accident on the page while refreshing?

I didn't refresh, I clicked on the page 667 tab again, I am not sure if there is a link to that Yes Loan website on that page but will have a look. I am sure that I did not click anywhere else though.

Dave.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

This seems very weird to me; if I read it correctly [noting comments above]

They are moving shares from the "unrestricted line, trading under PHRX, to the Reg S line trading under PHRM".

Ie, Moving shares from the unrestricted line that can be traded without Regulation S restriction, to Regulation S line which cannot be sold to US investors.

Why would they do that? Is it somehow easier to trade as Regulation S shares? Is this associated with the £0.5M shares sold yesterday?

Regulation S has a very poor reputation. I'd have thought you'd want to avoid being associated with Regulation S share trading as far as you possibly could.

Or perhaps that's why I'm in IT not share trading.

Ahh. In general terms, if you were a US company and wanted to flog stock off to people outside USA who would then have no comeback under Regulation S, you'd (presumeably) transfer the stock from unrestricted to restricted, then flog it? [noting I know nothing about share trading]

Why does reading the page you linked to not suprise me knowing who is incharge of phorm..

We offer this disturbing thought. The federal securities laws, the very rules that were calculated to discourage deception and protect investors, provide a pair of mechanisms that fuel fraudulent stock schemes. Or, to put it slightly differently, securities laws that are designed to foster transparency and disclosure instead protect silence and deception.

One fundamental precept underlies our federal securities laws - investors must be given access to material information about public companies and the people who run and control them. Yet two federal regulations not only ignore that mandate but tolerate secrecy.

What are these tools that can be used to distribute stock clandestinely to the four corners of the globe, conceal identities, launder funds, and defraud investors? They are every con artist's dream and every law enforcement official's nightmare - and they share a common root, the letter "S." They are Regulation S, which allows U.S. public companies to sell stock overseas without registration, and Form S-8, which enables companies to register shares instantly.

When they were first enacted, these two regulations were relatively benign, but promoters and manipulators have discovered ways to utilize both Regulation S and Form S-8 to further illicit schemes.

The bold parts I have done to draw attention to them..

[icsys]

More from that link...

Regulation S was crafted as a safe harbor that allows public companies to sell shares to non-U.S. citizens. In essence, while regulators wanted to assure that U.S. investors had adequate access to information about public companies, non-U.S. residents were not afforded the same protection. Those non-U.S. residents would be permitted to buy and sell shares, among themselves, even though the issuer had never registered those shares with the SEC.

In other words, companies were given license to do abroad what they could not do at home - dump shares on the marketplace without registration or disclosure.

Why would lawmakers, who so carefully crafted securities laws that demanded both registration and disclosure, also create this massive loophole in the system?...

...In other words, Regulation S is an invitation for abuse. Its potential harm far outweighs its actual benefit.

[HamsterWheel]

I see everyone is getting excited at 50,000 shares being reclassified.

All it will be is some shares being put in a different pot, probably so they are availalbe for option exercises for US employees.

Not everything has to be a major conspiracy you know !!!

[davethejag]

BT Trial/PC Pro report -

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/208191/p...mminently.html

Dave.

[icsys]

Originally Posted by davethejag

BT Trial/PC Pro report -

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/208191/p...mminently.html

Dave.

This is from the PC Pro article...

BT denies the rumours of an imminent trial, claiming that there is no planned date for the test, but said that customers would be sent invites beforehand.

Phorm similarly claims that it has no current plans, and that it would be given only 24 hours' notice to begin a test with no prior warning, as it was "BT's trial".

"We're moving into the testing phase. BT's the most advanced - you're more likely to see it come to deployment than anyone else," Phorm spokesman Alex Laity told PC Pro. "BT has always been committed to doing this. The other two [Virgin Media and TalkTalk] are as well. There's commitment from all three."

[popper]

Originally Posted by jtechs

!!PLEASE STOP TALKING TO IT ( ), IT IS JUST TRYING TO DILUTE THE SUBJECT WITH HIS PROPAGANDA!!

But on a side note.

I will be going to the protest and bringing at least one person, + a HDD Camera + a good SLR digital camera & a couple of lenses. I work as IT Manager so i can print off some stuff (as much as i want for free). If anyone wants some A3/A4 colour stuff let me know and i will arrange it for the day. I will record the entire thing and host it on my website (unlimited bandwidth) for everyone.

If anyone has some suggestions of what else i should bring (digital projector?) let me know
some cds/dvds with the leaked report or some other factual information?

-Jtech

thats a very generous offer jtechs, perhaps nows the time to co-ordinate all the other video feeds capability people might also be taking to create some off the cuff video clips that can be streamed to the various free online websites etc as tasters of progress and any potential breaking news items.

far better to work out your needs and do a practice run before the event, its also very easy to use ADHOC networking to make a NoDPI wireless lan many people can then connect to.

it only takes one person in that group to have a second wireless device set as the web gateway or other connection to the web for everyone else to also be able to use that interweb connection and shared wireless Adhoc LAN.

even make your own adhoc NoDPI LAN website and Messageboard ,IRC etc as long as you co-ordinate the used local IP and port no's etc, for the people in range able to connect to it.

remember though, all day power is the real killer of such a simple Adhoc networks for your audio and video blogs, editing and uploading onsite etc or whatever you like to pass the quiet moments.

just a little thought beforehand and some live cd (slax andyour required modules etc)could be enougth do do all this and make sure you are ready to collect and diseminate the live details as they happen.

a cheap car DC to AC inverter from the likes of argos http://www.argos.co.uk/webapp/wcs/st...s=CAR+INVERTOR
is always a good option to re-charge flagging laptop and related batterys if you have a car handy (keep an eye on your cars battery though, or you might flaten that and not be able to start the engine lol) and no domestic powerpoint to plug into.

we can do far better than the last time with a promise of a 80/20 ,Phorm pro uncut video etc, if we rely on our own means ,kit and talent.

remember to ask any Tv crews to release any footage you take part in to you to use as you please (for non [compeating] commercial use), that way if they agree theres yet more diverse footage to the pot, if you dont ask for that as a condition you wont get the footage will you ( and ask for a contact name and no. to chase it up later and get the clips).

http://moblog.co.uk/

as just one example, or if you can arrange some space on any webside server you can also upload your video clips in any format you like, and link to them in a simple URL .

or even in vuse by making a torrent and releasing it here in a new phorm demo thread.

perhaps we can find a well served Open Torrent server or put one up on one or two of our members sites before the event

a one off torrent and file uploading to any server is always a good thing to take the strain off any temp wireless wifi link you might find during the demo.

it seems theres several wifi points on route but im not sure their truely open and free or if you need some pre-registered card or ID on a providers network.

perhaps a local user can walk the route with a laptop and check before hand?

http://www.vuze.com/Publish.html;jse...C6810CAB.web09

[tarka]

If I recall correctly you can request a free PAYG sim card from T-Mobile and this allows you internet access via a mobile phone for £1 per day. Not sure of the exact details but will try to dig them out this evening if someone doesn't beat me to it.

[AlexanderHanff]

We have connectivity sorted via a 3G Dongle so no need to worry about that anymore.

I will be back later I have a lot of stuff to do today.

Alexander Hanff

[JohnnyWashngo]

Plenty of action today so far

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...&timeframe=480

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I see everyone is getting excited at 50,000 shares being reclassified.

All it will be is some shares being put in a different pot, probably so they are availalbe for option exercises for US employees.

Not everything has to be a major conspiracy you know !!!

OK Hamsterman, as my finger hesitates over the ignore list, perhaps there is something you can contribute.

Why would someone convert valuable unrestricted shares, into less valuable restricted Reg S shares? How could that be a 'good thing' (tm).

Why couldn't US employees sell the more valuable unrestricted shares as unrestricted shares?

I'm keen to understand. It seems like a good way to devalue your own currency (in effect).

The only motivation I can think of is denying the buyer of those shares the unrestricted rights, ie full rights available to US citizens.

Pete

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

We have connectivity sorted via a 3G Dongle so no need to worry about that anymore.

I will be back later I have a lot of stuff to do today.

Alexander Hanff

its welcome that we have at least 1 3G 720Kbit/s download/400Kbit/s upload at average speeds(according to tests i ran the other day on my lads new school orange 3G ,ironic they are using them given the sale of unlawfully collected customer data transactions etc, but thats for another time)

but that will be good for a single or at best 10 users IRC to the net and the odd live audio and video blog.

i assume others will also bring their 3G and Wifi 11g/n wireless kit to suppliment and enhance the chances of mitigating a web failure.

a quick NoDPI Adhoc Lan setup is always a good option to move data throughout the NoDPI attendees laptops OC, irespective of a temp working web connection or not, its a long day.

[HamsterWheel]

Dephormation - the reason is no doubt tax.
The shares are of equal value, their prices mirror each other albeit with a time lag as the Reg S shares are thinly held and thinly traded.

[Florence]

There will be a live feed from inside the AGM I need to sort out the links so people outside can see what is going on inside... I had read this live recording of the AGM just hope live means that and not a released at a later time..

[Dephormation]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I see everyone is getting excited at 50,000 shares being reclassified.

All it will be is some shares being put in a different pot, probably so they are availalbe for option exercises for US employees.

Not everything has to be a major conspiracy you know !!!

If unrestricted shares are £16.00 (bid).

And restricted shares are £11.00.

Then converting 50,000 unrestricted shares to 50,000 restricted shares loses you 50,000 * (£16.00-£11.00) = £250,000.00

Simply to deny the recipient full unrestricted rights.

Why would you do something like that?