Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Florence]

Originally Posted by Hank

There is a big BT building in Leeds for sure (near the train station - I was there last week and noticed it)

What does anyone else think of this idea? Anyone know where the big call centres are?

India like Virgin Media

[BetBlowWhistler]

Originally Posted by icsys

Not a bad idea. All local offices would need to be located.

I have found:

Registered office: 81 Newgate Street, London EC1A 7AJ
BT plc Correspondence Centre: Durham DH98 1BT

...but that's about it.

If you know someone in BT then there is an A-Z of buildings on their intranet. Even addresses of some that you wouldn't think were BT premises at all (the Sheffield Command Center is one that springs to mind).

[Dephormation]

Just received this info in a mail from the European Commission;

The Roundtable was a participatory event. Commissioner KUNEVA did not meet individually with anyone and had a brief meeting with the Office of Fair Trading after the Roundtable. Richard Clayton of the Foundation for Information Policy Research was invited to represent the concerns of users. Unfortunately, it was not possible to invite everybody and we needed to select a limited group of people. Rest assured, the organizers were able to strike a good balance of stakeholders. For your information, the Cabinet of Commissioner KUNEVA do not follow the Phorm case as it is in the competency of Commissioner BARROT in charge of Justice, Freedom and Security.

(my bold)

Justice, Freedom, Security... and online advertising?

Anyway, looks like another person we need to write/fax to. Grit your teeth, fire up the word processor, hookup the old fax modem...

Jacques Barrot

Contact Information;

Vice President Jacques Barrot
EUROPEAN COMMISSION
B-1049 BRUSSELS

Phone: + 32 (0)2 298 15 01
Fax: + 32 (0)2 298 15 99

I have got the agenda of Ms Kuneva's visit, if anyone's interested.

Pete.

Originally Posted by Florence

India like Virgin Media

LOL - Yeah defo they have one/some, but often I get North East accents, not just Delhi or similar! And Barry today was not using "Barry" as an easy to say/easy sounding psuedonym

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Originally Posted by Dephormation

Just received this info in a mail from the European Commission;

... For your information, the Cabinet of Commissioner KUNEVA do not follow the Phorm case as it is in the competency of Commissioner BARROT in charge of Justice, Freedom and Security.

Good info Pete. I have already written to her so hopefully my letter will be forwarded - gotta dash now or I would write another!! If it does not get to Barrot, I will be writing again...

Hank

[icsys]

BT directories: Ward Road Dundee DD1 1BA
BT directories customer services: Town walls, shrewsbury SY1 1TY

[davethejag]

Originally Posted by Florence

India like Virgin Media

Hi All, Talking of India, has this been posted already?, nothing new though!


http://www.financialexpress.com/news...u-surf/326320/

Dave.

Seems yet again I am having to remind people - I am tired of saying this so let me make this perfectly clear.

If some members persistently enter this thread to flame others or cause trouble - their membership to this forum will be terminated.

[Wildie]

want to get the msg across to the bt staff put flyers on the bt vans windscreens,

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by BetBlowWhistler

If you know someone in BT then there is an A-Z of buildings on their intranet. Even addresses of some that you wouldn't think were BT premises at all (the Sheffield Command Center is one that springs to mind).

BT Edinburgh:

Morningside (1 building)
Dalry Road (1 building)
Edinburgh Park (2 buildings)

I'll get the addresses of these, and others (inc) glasgow, from my contact and add to this post as an edit. I'll also try to get the list of addresses (A-Z).

[HamsterWheel]

Originally Posted by bustedwheel

Hamster. If you like phorm and BT so much why not use it, instead of zen?

No idea why you've gone to the lengths of registering a new username to post once, have you not the guts to address me with your proper username ?
Or do you think the moderators will ban you for some rule transgression ?

If you really want to know, I'm not at my regular PC at the moment but do use BT at home and will be happy to use Phorm.

[Wildie]

so you don`t have kids then, if you do by letting them use the internet you will be letting bt and phorm intercept profile and sell their clicks and be served ads which is illegal full stop to do such a thing if it goes live.

[HamsterWheel]

Disagree - all children use the internet on a supervised basis, so the adult who pays the ISP bill is responsible for what the child is served as adverts.

No porn ads served with Phorm so no problem.

If the child thing was that much of an issue then you lot would have spent a lot longer on it. And the authorities might even have been interested, rather than seeing the anti-Phormers as something of a tiresome annoyance, however well-intentioned.

As a taxpayer, I hate to think how many civil servants hours are being wasted responding to all the letters etc some of you are apparently sending.

[AlexanderHanff]

Everyone please ignore Hamsterwheel, don't feed the troll; his only purpose here is to try and disrupt the discussion, the same as it has been everywhere else he has posted on this issue. If you want to see just how offensive Hamsterwheel is, go and read the ADVFN forums.

There is actually a firefox plugin which enables ignore functionality for forums which do not offer it as a feature, I will try and dig it out later.

Alexander Hanff

[Privacy_Matters]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Disagree - all children use the internet on a supervised basis, so the adult who pays the ISP bill is responsible for what the child is served as adverts.

Well Hamster - debating for once, thank you - much more like it...

Ok firstly - European DPA prohibits any child under the age of 13 to give implied consent, so its criminal in the following respects:

- Library: My local Library is on BT RESIDENTIAL (Yes) therefore my children would not be permitted to use the net on these premises.
- Childcare: My Childcare provider user VM RESIDENTIAL, therefore my children would not be permitted to use on these premises.
- Grandparents/Babysitters/Aunts/Uncles/Cousins: most of these, in my case, use VM - the rest BT. Now under Scottish Law (did you forget that its different up here?), these individuals are afforded no Parental Rights and Responsibilities, as defined under the Children (Scotland) Act 1995 - therefore they cannot neither assume consent, nor can they imply consent.

You should also consider that the majority of users are under the age of 16, and effectively EU and Regional Law (as in Scotland) would make it an offense to suggest that children are asked to give consent.

EDIT:

Not for Kent: You should take serious note that it is an Criminal Offence in Scotland to knowingly ask consent of a Child under the age of 16 years without the prior knowledge of the parent. Therefore, every child who switches on their PC when you roll this atrocious system out, and the Parents are none the wiser. In short, Kent, you MUST explain FULLY to every Parent in Scotland the workings of this system, and allow them to make an informed decision that the Child is permitted; subsequently you MUST ensure plenty of notice so that parents can make such a decision.

I for one will SUE YOU PERSONALLY under Scottish Law, should any of my children get offered your Opt-out page.

[HamsterWheel]

Alex - are you scared of discussion ?

Not sure why you think it is equitable to go on my share boards and post totally one-sided anti-Phorm propoganda and then object when I come on pro-Phorm sites to try and even up the viewpoints ?

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European DPA prohibits any child under the age of 13 to give implied consent, so its

Consent to do what though ? That is the question.
I'd argue that what Phorm are doing does not need consent. Or else what Google already does in a much more invasive way would also be illegal, but it's not.