Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[NTLVictim]

Originally Posted by NTLVictim

I wonder if they'll post my comment?

Yep. Seem to be a lot of anti phorm gags in the comments.

[HamsterWheel]

That NebuAs looks very nasty - we should all demand Phorm instead.

[markt50]

HamsterWheel,

I fully understand that you're in support of Phorm, however I am curious as to how even supporters of theirs can not have concerns. Let me explain.

Everytime Phorm or an ISP are asked about the 'opt out' they always tack on a line at the end of the answer, something along the lines of 'If you opt out no traffic will be sent from the ISP to phorm. We should be clear: the Phorm servers are located in the ISP's network and browsing data is not transmitted outside the ISP.'

So this indicates that whilst you may be able to 'opt out' from the targeting of adverts, you cannot opt out from being profiled. Further evidence of this can be found by the very fact that TalkTalk have confirmed they are looking at a switch based 'opt out' to completely bypass Phorm, this again indicates that Phorms 'Opt out' is not a real opt out.

Also whilst Phorm argue that there is no degredation in service quality, we know that numerous redirects take place that will have to increase the time it takes for a page to get served to your machine (even if it is a few extra milliseconds).

So to simplify, given that many people are concerned that there is no real 'Opt out' and that Internet performance maybe affected. Do you think that people do not have a right to be able to really decide for themselves if they want to use this service, do we not have a right to be able to entirely bypass Phorms systems so that our Internet access works exactly as it has always worked, with no additional redirects or data being mirrored to profilers.

Phorm have never once provided any suitable answers to these and many other questions. Let me put it this way, if Phorm was introduced as an 'Opt In' system, and if I decided not to opt in and my traffic was never changed from how it works today, then I would have no problem with Phorm at all. The facts are that Phorm does not work this way, it has no 'opt out', it is trying to trick people by launching with a default 'opt-in' policy.

All Phorm has to do for me is prove that I can really opt out, and that if I opt out my Internet connection is not going to be degraded. They have failed to prove these very simple things and I can't help but wonder why.

[jtechs]

!!PLEASE STOP TALKING TO IT ( ), IT IS JUST TRYING TO DILUTE THE SUBJECT WITH HIS PROPAGANDA!!

But on a side note.

I will be going to the protest and bringing at least one person, + a HDD Camera + a good SLR digital camera & a couple of lenses. I work as IT Manager so i can print off some stuff (as much as i want for free). If anyone wants some A3/A4 colour stuff let me know and i will arrange it for the day. I will record the entire thing and host it on my website (unlimited bandwidth) for everyone.

If anyone has some suggestions of what else i should bring (digital projector?) let me know
some cds/dvds with the leaked report or some other factual information?

-Jtech

[Privacy_Matters]

She.. HamsterWheel is a she..

[pseudonym]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I see there is an ad for Virgin Broadband at the top of this page.
How ironic.

Perhaps if the site owners signed up for Phorm they could have more targetted ads that would be better for the blood pressure of the regulars.

Even if they don't sign up to phorm, perhaps we will see a new form of forum spamming - where spammers join the forum to post off-site links to their own phorm advert carrying site/blog, so that people who click on the spammers link see an advert targetted for them based on the content they've been reading on this site anyway.

[HamsterWheel]

[Admin Edit:-Offensive post deleted-Making personal remarks on this forum will not be tolerated]

[number6]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

Admin Edit

Moderators, do we really have to put up with this?

[NTLVictim]

Originally Posted by number6

Moderators, do we really have to put up with this?

already reported.

[mark777]

Lots of shares being bought at the moment, in big lumps.


http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareTrades.asp...re=phorm_reg_s

[DJTekno]

Originally Posted by mark777

Lots of shares being bought at the moment, in big lumps.


http://www.lse.co.uk/ShareTrades.asp...re=phorm_reg_s

Well, it is a friday

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

the barron - as I said, I only posted as I'd been blamed for all the pro-Phorm comments on here.
If Alex and chums have a pop at me, and this is the same Alex who threatened to hit me if I turned up at his demo, then I reserve the right to respond.

---------- Post added at 09:15 ---------- Previous post was at 09:14 ----------

Deko - so lad to see you can post something other than "Doomed".

Share price up again today, like it has been all week :-)

Firstly I never threatened to hit you, I said I doubt I would be able to resist the urge despite my usual calm and passive attitude. The two are significantly different.

As for the CapitalOne link, is that the best you can do? Link to a forum thread about illegal business practises by CapitalOne to try and taint my reputation?

So let me get this right, you are trying to make me look bad to stop me destroying your investment any more than it already has been (an investment in ILLEGAL activities) and you do this by posting links to me standing up against yet more ILLEGAL activities by CapitalOne.

So basically you are reinforcing the fact that I refuse to stand back and allow companies to break the law? Thanks for the promotion.

You truly are a strange strange boy.

Alexander Hanff

[MovedGoalPosts]

To everyone, anti and pro Phorm. You reap what you sow. Many have been scouting around the net searching our information on others in attempts to discredit, or worse. If you didn't like such behaviour, why are you now whinging when the tables get turned on you. If there is a point to debate, debate it. If you disagree with something, state why. But just because you disagree with someone elses stance doesn't make them a "troll" so baiting and flaming will not be accepted.

The Cable Forum Team is becoming rather tired of some of the pettiness being shown in this thread. Many formal warnings have recently been issued. Further warnings which could lead to account suspensions will be considered if posting behaviour does not change.

[HamsterWheel]

Hi Alex !

Here's what you said - I tool it as a threat. "I would suggest you don't come to the protest I doubt, despite my usual good temperament, that I would be able avoid giving you the physical smack in the face you so rightly deserve."

What is it about Alexes and the theat of violence ? First you, and now Big Brother !!

I only posted the credit card link as you were suggesting that I was posting on this board when i was not. For some reason you seem to think I am the only person in the world who is not anti-phorm. If you have a pop at me, I will reply.

[Florence]

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

I already have with the autoblog post.

Another huge benefit is that ISPs need more money to crank up the internet speeds to cope with the huge demands being made on it by BBC iplayer etc.
They currently do not make enough out of broadband to invest in this. The extra dosh generated by Phorm will enable them to invest in more capacity, whilst not increasing broadband charges. Maybe even reducing them.
This I see as a benefit to users. The ISPs seem to think so too.

Well as a BT shareholder I have access to details which made me think why phorm when the CEO can be paid £850,000 a year a leaving CEO gets a bonus of £700,000 with another £300,000 for what they have done for years 2008/9
Another BT manager will get a pay rise from £654,000 approx to £850,000 maybe they need to plough some of this over payments back into the company and things would work out better dephormed.

Originally Posted by HamsterWheel

And it will benefit websites who will be able to target their viewers and get greater revenues.
So I do think there are a lot of benefits.
I appreciate that you lot have privacy concerns, but I just don't think they are valid.
If they are valid, you lot will certainly figure out a way to whinge, and Phorm will be tweaked. It will not go away though.

I block all adverts unless I am looking for something so for 95% of the year they are blocked, but I have 5 websites I pay for and place content in them which I refuse to allow phorm to harvest keywords from….