STM rates VM expect you to keep to

[Mad Ad]

During the period 4PM till 9PM all customers downloads are limited to 3Gig or less, depending on your package.

Below are the rates that VM expect you to stay under, compared to the package speed you bought (or thought you did).

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XL Headline rate: 20Mb/s (20 Meg)

Allowance: 3 Gigabytes over 5 hours.

Actual speed you have to stay under not to trip STM: 1.33Mb/s
(1.3 meg, yes thats less than the lowest M service)

Reduction ratio: allowed to use only 1/15th of what you paid for, or your whole service is restricted, up and down.


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L Service (new)

Headline rate: 10Mb/s (10 Meg)

Allowance: 1.2 Gigabytes over 5 hours.

Actual speed you have to stay under not to trip STM: 0.53Mb/s
(0.5 meg, yes half a meg, the level of service available at launch 8 years ago)

Reduction ratio: allowed to use only 1/19th of what you paid for, or your whole service is restricted, up and down.

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L service (old)

Headline rate: 4Mb/s (4 Meg)

Allowance: 1 Gigabyte over 5 hours.

Actual speed you have to stay under not to trip STM: 0.44Mb/s
(0.4 meg, 20% less than the service available on launch 8 years ago)

Reduction ratio: allowed to use only 1/10th of what you paid for, or your whole service is restricted, up and down.

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M Service

Headline rate: 2Mb/s (2 Meg)

Allowance: 500 Megabytes over 5 hours.

Actual speed you have to stay under not to trip STM: 0.22Mb/s
(0.2 meg or 220k, the equivalent of 4x 56k phone modems)

Reduction ratio: allowed to use only 1/9th of what you paid for, or your whole service is restricted, up and down.

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Rates can be monitored using netmeter (free), netlimiter (complicated but free) or dumeter (30 days free only).





I couldnt be bothered to do the uploads in the same style, but for those that want raw data

Service|Allowance|Actual
XL|768k|1.4g|620k
L(n)|512k|700m|300k
M|256k|200m|90k

As we can see, packages above M have quite a high upload ratio compared to the headline rate, however because the download rates are so stringent and harsh, it doesnt matter because the uprate is also slashed when you download over the trigger level.

didnt you post this on Digitalspy

He did but not everyone looks at different forums they stick to what their used to, so a good post.

It would be a good post if it wasnt plastered all over the place here

Not great post just a good post agreed

[Mad Ad]

Just spreading the word - have had enough of their hide it and dont tell anyone policy on STM. People should be told exactly what they are buying.

Originally Posted by Mad Ad

Just spreading the word - have had enough of their hide it and dont tell anyone policy on STM. People should be told exactly what they are buying.

Information is good for people, lets them be aware of whats going on.

[AndyIggs83]

It's not just between 4-9PM now though, I was STM'd at 2.30 today

[piggy]

stm is here to stay ....the adverts are wrong but the facts are if you dont like it then leave the grass is not always greener

[mertle]

Originally Posted by piggy

stm is here to stay ....the adverts are wrong but the facts are if you dont like it then leave the grass is not always greener

true take us charge by X gigs used over set limit.

To be honest STM should be two way.

If you dont use the allocated allowance you should be allowed to go over your limit.

That way it would be lot fairer system.

Also pass through data should not be counted its not your traffic. Web browsing is another which should be omitted unless stream sites.

Only streaming , downloading should be counted.

I knew Vm would run into trouble once iplayer, channel4 vod, itv hit the webs. Really its questionable these also should not count.

This is ontop of xbox, ps3 traffic of gigs downloadable content from demos, games movies. Youtube and any other vid sharing. To cap it lot of websites gone java flash based and sites now are much bigger due to the overly use flashy graphics.

All this is grinding broadbands to meltdown. This could easily been predicted and the ISP's been guilty sitting on there backside and just over subscribing networks raking the money. In defence for VM there is also the freeloader issue which needs to be solved of the dodgy modems which must be effecting badly.

But they been quite happy raking there monies in for all us to do simple things like browse the web of non flash based sites. Using a fraction of our bandwidth. But when all of sudden the average user has to umph its usage just to even browse the internet. Then we get the new super nice new things like the online vods the hungry new consoles. They start panicking and STM.

This not a rant againt VM every single ISP provider has ample opportunity to be warned the internet would blossom and the average person would have to use more gigs,

Lets not forget the average patch for pc games has grown over a gig. Its not hard to imagine you could easily hit these meagre limits very easily doing rather very little.

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by mertle

Lets not forget the average patch for pc games has grown over a gig. Its not hard to imagine you could easily hit these meagre limits very easily doing rather very little.

Sure, but how many do you need to do every day during STM periods?
No user is forced to download anything, normal browsing won't get anywhere near the STM limits and the internet isn't close to grinding to a halt as some would exaggerate. STM may be a pain in the backside but the new thresholds aren't so bad that you can't work within them.

All it takes is a little patience and everyone will have a 'decent' connection speed rather than very few getting 'very good' speeds. Is that so bad?

Originally Posted by ceedee

Sure, but how many do you need to do every day during STM periods?
No user is forced to download anything, normal browsing won't get anywhere near the STM limits and the internet isn't close to grinding to a halt as some would exaggerate. STM may be a pain in the backside but the new thresholds aren't so bad that you can't work within them.

All it takes is a little patience and everyone will have a 'decent' connection speed rather than very few getting 'very good' speeds. Is that so bad?

Yes its bad, the whole point of a high speed connection is to get things downloaded quicker, not 3 or 4 times longer than it should.

Sure, people can start pcs, xbox360s etc and download overnight, but why should they?

Err, normal browsing in this day and age is youtube, iplayer, itunes etc and those who generally do that are on lower packages and hit STM quite often, if you saw the true % of how many people get stm'd you'd be in total shock, it's quite amusing though because techs are often called out about slow speeds but it's stm that is the problem and as you know VM dont like to inform their customers.

And no, the limits on all tiers are appalling, maybe if this was pre-2000 but come on file sizes are huge these days.

[chickendippers]

Please do a similar calculation with Sky Broadband:

Base - Headline Speed 2Mb - 2 GB Usage then access suspended
Mid - Headline Speed 8Mb - 40 GB Usage then access suspended
Max Headline Speed 16Mb - Fair Usage Policy

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Please do a similar calculation with Sky Broadband:

Base - Headline Speed 2Mb - 2 GB Usage then access suspended
Mid - Headline Speed 8Mb - 40 GB Usage then access suspended
Max Headline Speed 16Mb - Fair Usage Policy

The 16mbit has a "soft" cap of 500GB/Month.

And a hard cap of 750GB/Month.

Most people would be alot better off on that...

Also you should note that VM has STM AND! A Fair Usage Policy which they can do whatever the hell they want with.

[Berealwith]

Lol who gives a flying k anymore............i have found life again its when you press shut down and not restart ...........