New STM/Virgin traffic managent confirmed - so that's why it's slow!

Originally Posted by TraxData

You realise the whole point of having a faster connection is to download files faster, right? you know, to get the download over and done with so you can carry on with whatever your doing, right?

so you are doing it, now, right, and are therefore happy, now, right - don't patronise. please, just do it

Originally Posted by homealone

so you are doing it, now, right, and are therefore happy, right - don't patronise. please, just do it

Patronise, moi?

I download when i want, of course im not with VM so i dont get 75% of my connection taken away from me for it

[GraphiX2004]

just awaiting the new midnight early morning STM's to role in it wont be long now.
what i like to know is why isn't watchdog or the TV media/newspapers picking this up?

no-one seems interested and it's one of the biggest scams i've ever seen in a long time.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by homealone

so you are doing it, now, right, and are therefore happy, now, right - don't patronise. please, just do it

So I take it you are quite happy to have limits on your XL package which you pay more for even though its been sold to you as UNLIMITED!

Originally Posted by pippincp

So I take it you are quite happy to have limits on your XL package which you pay more for even though its been sold to you as UNLIMITED!

What limits - there are no limits, just now, fill your boots & download what you want, STM does not apply at this time, assuming you are not already in a 5 hour managed scenario from before 2100 - in which case 'more fool you' - otherwise you have 'unlimited' bandwidth according to your paid for speed until 10.00 am right now - about 8 & a half hours left - go for it

[GraphiX2004]

pippincp some people would defend and be happy if virgin burst through their doors.
ripped out the cable modem took it with them and slapped them with a removal bill.
then forced to sign a new contract saying they must never use virgin again ever.
but you still need to pay us 37 pounds a month every months for 24 months.

they'd take a good look at it say hmm, not bad price i can put up with that.
that's the whole impression i get of people here, who's actually paying customers.

maybe it's just me but when i decide i want something i pay for it, and the reason
i pay for it is that i originally wanted it in the first place so once I've paid for it
and I'm not getting it, should i therefore still be happy?

just because a company has screwed up by over subscribing this is my fault how?
why should i ever need to be sympathetic to any company because they've made a cock up?

I'm a customer it's my role to be provided with what I'm paying them for.
not my role to pat them on the back and say there, there, i understand totally
and while i understand totally, slap some more restrictions on me and if you want
increase my bill to cover the issue,.

They've been greedy trying to get more and more customers on board it's their mess.
why should i continue to have to pay more money for a less service than originally
just because there to greedy to use the money to upgrade the capacity or to allow
full capacity of the network to their users and stop holding it back.

be just as well going to the nearest grid and fluttering it right down there

And to the poster above "more fool you", omg ... lmao yes more fool him for using what he paid for bad boy!! how dare he!
i'm right now re-downloading Half Life 2 / Counter Strike Source it's just over 11GB in size after i re-installed my OS.

if i tried to do that anytime of the day which is when i wanted to play i would of been here till next tuesday.
what about the millions of others who need bandwidth to install games from the likes of Direct2drive or Steam?

Once again even the isp's still don't have a clue about the gamers or the people who love to test demo's
what makes me laugh is when you go onto tech support for an official speed check they even tell you to DL their Game Demo's!!
but when you come to downloading your own demo's/Steam/D2D ... your Restricted.

Yea i've gone over my limit with legit traffic ... how dare i? more fool me too? sorry did i ask for this?

Originally Posted by TraxData

Patronise, moi?

I download when i want, of course im not with VM so i dont get 75% of my connection taken away from me for it

So you have no input other than your opinion

All my posts are based on what I actually get from VM, not opinion, conjecture, or rumour - not to dismiss your opinion, but the evidence you bring to the debate has to take that into account - imo

[GraphiX2004]

i should be in bed right now at nearly 2am in a morning but i can't as i have to
nurse all my downloads right now and make sure they are done for tomorrow.

how many others are going to have to change their whole social life times around.
it's going to be causing deaths soon, people up all night to do something then
drive to work in the morning no sleep and totally knackered,

fall to sleep at the wheel, or work with machinary and get someone hurt real good.
i can see it now, cannot wait for the real media to grow a pair and report this story.

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

And to the poster above "more fool you", omg ... lmao yes more fool him for using what he paid for bad boy!!

I meant more fool you for not being able to 'play the game' in order to get what you want, rather than score points, it is possible, but the motives may be different?

Originally Posted by homealone

So you have no input other than your opinion

All my posts are based on what I actually get from VM, not opinion, conjecture, or rumour - not to dismiss your opinion, but the evidence you bring to the debate has to take that into account - imo

I used to be with VM though and the STM during 4-9pm was more than a slight annoyance.

Glad i got rid of them as i knew this was going to be rolled out nationally.

I think someone hit the nail on the head earlier when they said (on another forum) VM are turning into another tiscali, only more expensive.

[pip08456]

Originally Posted by homealone

What limits - there are no limits, just now, fill your boots & download what you want, STM does not apply at this time, assuming you are not already in a 5 hour managed scenario from before 2100 - in which case 'more fool you' - otherwise you have 'unlimited' bandwidth according to your paid for speed until 10.00 am right now - about 8 & a half hours left - go for it

Who's on about "at this time?" I am on about the UNLIMITED 20mbps package I've been paying for from the moment it was rolled out in the Manchester area.
(I had NO problems when it was NTL). I and everyone else in this area is LIMITED to 750MBs between 4.00pm and 12.00am. Considering I work 6.00am - 6.00pm this only gives me less than 6hrs full bandwidth for downloading if I don't turn my PC off when I go to bed. To put it in a nutshell I can download ONE CD when I get home and if I wish to download anything else my PC HAS to be on 24 hrs. That doesn't include the slow browsing in the time I have left when the STM kicks in.

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

i should be in bed right now at nearly 2am in a morning but i can't as i have to
nurse all my downloads right now and make sure they are done for tomorrow.

how many others are going to have to change their whole social life times around.
it's going to be causing deaths soon, people up all night to do something then
drive to work in the morning no sleep and totally knackered,

fall to sleep at the wheel, or work with machinary and get someone hurt real good.
i can see it now, cannot wait for the real media to grow a pair and report this story.

'nurse' downloads, 'cause deaths' - my personal opinion is that your issues transcend the thread, I'm ceasing to reply to such ridiculous concepts, if you cannot set your downloads to 'safely' execute at this time of night, you have problems that, imo, Virgin Media are never going to be able to help you with.....

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Originally Posted by pippincp

Who's on about "at this time?" I am on about the UNLIMITED 20mbps package I've been paying for from the moment it was rolled out in the Manchester area.
(I had NO problems when it was NTL). I and everyone else in this area is LIMITED to 750MBs between 4.00pm and 12.00am. Considering I work 6.00am - 6.00pm this only gives me less than 6hrs full bandwidth for downloading if I don't turn my PC off when I go to bed. To put it in a nutshell I can download ONE CD when I get home and if I wish to download anything else my PC HAS to be on 24 hrs. That doesn't include the slow browsing in the time I have left when the STM kicks in.

So you cannot download anything, now ?

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Originally Posted by TraxData

I used to be with VM though and the STM during 4-9pm was more than a slight annoyance.

Glad i got rid of them as i knew this was going to be rolled out nationally.

I think someone hit the nail on the head earlier when they said (on another forum) VM are turning into another tiscali, only more expensive.

In other words you have nothing to add to the debate ?

In other words you have nothing to add to the debate ?

The fact STM does not affect you, as you say, means you have nothing more to add to the debate either .

It's not your business what other people do with their connections, you cant complain because VM has sold it as unlimited and people are actually using it.

Again, the whole point of a high speed connection is so you can download files faster, not start the download, have a 20mbit speed burst for 20 mins then down to 5mbit taking twice as long to get the file downloaded.

All because your happy to sit here and be ripped off it does not mean others are.

You seem to think anyone who downloads is an abuser? what about households with more than 1 pc? people who have kids? i can easily use that STM limit up within an hour with iplayer/youtube/game/updates/patches.

You think its fair to class them as abusers because they sometimes have to download large files?

You do realise STM is NOT in place to stop heavy downloaders, right?

It's there so they can keep on signing more people up while not having to give the customers what they are actually paying for.

I think you need to remember normal people have lifes, jobs and other things to do...and are only online for a few hours today, if they want to download something in those few hours at the speed they are paying for ,they should be allowed.

[pip08456]

@homealone (I wonder why).

I'm on tonight because I'm on day off tomorrow, there's nothing I wish to download now. There may be nothing till Monday when I'm working and don't see it until I get home, then it'll be difficult for me due to STM.

Both Graphix and Trax Data have entered more constructive points to this debate than your "one track mind" replies.

I can see questions need to be put concisely to you so I will.

Are you happy paying for an UNLIMITED PREMIUM SERVICE but not getting the same???

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by pippincp

@homealone (I wonder why).

I'm on tonight because I'm on day off tomorrow, there's nothing I wish to download now. There may be nothing till Monday when I'm working and don't see it until I get home, then it'll be difficult for me due to STM.

Both Graphix and Trax Data have entered more constructive points to this debate than your "one track mind" replies.

I can see questions need to be put concisely to you so I will.

Are you happy paying for an UNLIMITED PREMIUM SERVICE but not getting the same???

There is no need to be insulting to homealone, just because he has a different viewpoint to yours, his comments are as constructive and valid as the next mans. You may not agree with him but you do need to insult him.