New STM/Virgin traffic managent confirmed - so that's why it's slow!

[Trybrow]

The joke is of course that i havnt noticed any speed decrease except for when iv been traffic managed. Weird. So how are they working out that speeds are slow? Traffic management has been in place for over a year. wouldnt it in fact be the traffic management itself that is causing any congestion by diverting traffic to other times?

[slowcoach]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

All this STM thing makes be believe VM 50Mb will carry stm and it will be something like 4Gb then you capped to 5.5Mb

Unless 50mb is a free upgrade then it is dead in the water now.

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Originally Posted by TraxData

Someone asked about overnight STM, as per usual, alex went silent with one word replies...

Nothing more certain.

Softly Softly Catchee Monkey.

[GraphiX2004]

how will people put up with this i mean look at the trouble it caused over the 4pm - 9pm time frame
now they’ve done it even worse no-one see’s to see the whole problem look at it this way

you hit your 6GB limit say within the 10AM time frame that’s 5 hrs throttled.

which then takes you to 3pm, then your un-throttled back to full speed up-to 4pm

from 4pm - 9pm if you hit your 3gb limit within the 4PM mark that takes you to 9pm,
now don’t forget you can trigger the STM within 1 min within 10am - 3pm /4pm - 9pm

so say you hit your trigger at 2:59pm, thats 8pm the first throttle will come off.
but you’ve already passed over into the 4pm -9pm throttle so that 8pm it removes.
who’s saying its not going to get mixed with the later STM so add 5 hours onto
9pm 1am - 10am your basically ever going to get 20mb.

probably got my maths all screwed up but you get the idea

what I’m trying to get at is, your allocated 3gb in peak time of full speed no STM right.
if you hit the STM at 2:59PM thats 5 hours STM’d right there basically NULLING out the
legitimate time you supposed to get 3GB allowance and no STM so you’ve basically got STM’d
all the way from Morning, Though till Noon, then Automatically hit Evening STM’

You can only use the connection un-throttled from 1am - 10am for now.

Pretty sneaky way of making sure within the 4pm - 9pm your STM’d regardless
of even touching the 3GB threshold, and how they getting away with this? easy really.

Regardless of how many people read this it could read Virgin stops users from ever connecting
but steals their money every month, and you know what? and i mean this …

People would continue to be the sheep and continue to follow without doing a damn thing about it.
you would all keep paying your £37 pounds to a company who’s now saying their fast BB is only to
be used between the hours of 1am - 10am… and where is the cost cutting? we don’t have any.

So the next Problem now is everyone will start downloading from 12am - 10am the network will
then get so congested they will start with STM from the 1am - 10am.

Virgin just cannot seem to understand people want to actually use their connections for what it
was originally created for, and now they are doing just that the ISPS were paying our money too
really doesn’t want to offer the service their offering and that were all paying for?

They don’t seem to get or understand swapping the times around all users will do is swap with them.
we started with .. 4pm -12pm, then dropped it to 4pm - 9pm what did users do?

they set their downloading from 1am - 4pm, now we have restrictions 10am - 3pm.
so users are going to set their downloads from 12am - 10am, so now your going to have
the entire country hammering the hell out of the connection from 12am - 10am so the speed
is going to be worse than ever during off peak time, so we’ve now created off peak time on peak.
and on peak time off peak,

Virgin people want to download people want to use their broadband for what it’s designed for.
and their using what they paid for, you advertised this is what it is for and when were doing just that
your hitting us with limits.

instead of shifting people around which is doing nothing only time shifting people why don’t you
just use the money were paying you to actually “Upgrade” the networks to cope?

[Sherlock614]

Blimey i'm glad i had to leave VM when i did.

I get max 7mb on Be but i don't have to look at the clock before starting a download.

If i was still paying for 20mb i wouldn't be happy with this.

[Gary L]

Let us sit down and think.
It takes less than 1% of VM's customers to use their connection to bring the whole network to a crawl for the other 99%

[GraphiX2004]

I'm laughing so much at that 1% thing, omg talk about blatant lies and deception.
1% of customers , so because of 1% of customers the whole country has to suffer?

i think they missed two zero's off the end since the BBC news on TV stated about the
3 strikes and your out policy that there is over 5.5 million people daily committing copyright.

5.5 million + all the rest they don't want to tell you about is more than 1% or 5%

So we have let me get this right.

10am - 3pm Restriction,
4pm 9pm + 5 hours Restriction.
Soon to have Overnight STM very soon like Trax said yes it's coming
so that's going to be from 1am - 5am Restriction

Then were going to have the Traffic Cops, 3 Strikes and your out,
then were going to have phrom watching us

Then Protocol throttling bittorrent/news servers going to be cut back.

and they still advertise this as "no restrictions and Unlimited"
I'd love to see their definition of "unlimited or restrictions lol

all this for the nice cheap price of £37 pounds a month which no doubt we will
be getting a price rise very soon on all tiers that's the next nail in the coffin.

Has virgin been taken over by them gremlins on the BT advert or what?

Advert i'm talking about for the people who's not seen it yet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87z6O...eature=related

[Trybrow]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Let us sit down and think.
It takes less than 1% of VM's customers to use their connection to bring the whole network to a crawl for the other 99%

yeah love that. what does that say about the capacity of their network. that basically proves they are trying to overload the UBRs or whatever theyr called. So if some of that 1% would be 2mb customers then why are the 20 mb customers who are 10 times that amount getting the oppertunity to download nearly four times more data during so called traffic management. since wouldnt they actually be the ones who are congesting the network?

[GraphiX2004]

more to the point trybrow if 2mb gets cut to 1mb, and 4mb to 2mb, and 10mb to 4mb.
why is 20mbit being cut to 5mb, it's stripey on the keyboard i'm telling ya he's just pushing
what ever keys he feels at the time, i swear when i watch that advert it should have
the Virgin brand writen all over it.

forget the numbers, look at the times, if you want to up or download, fit it in when the network allows it - if people stopped trying to score points for being capped during peak times & tried actually using the bandwidth when it is available, they might have more luck

[CrowmanUK]

The bandwidth should be available all the time, thats what you pay for, the convenience of using your connection when you want it, i'm not saying that you should be downloading 24/7 but if you get in from work, fire up your latest game and see you need a patch and start downloading it while watching some stuff on youtube why should you get managed? It makes no sense, you could download sod all in the day or night but if you want bandwidth at a time to suit you then you'll get penalised for it, Mr car boot whose connection is burning all day and night gets penalised the same as mr once a fortnight who downloads a patch and watches a few vids which takes him over the limit. where is the justice in that? And god help you if you're on adsl cos you'll get 8k/sec for a week during peak times, maybe they should inflict that on the 1% of heavy downloaders rather than imposing the limits that are in place now, that way the heavy users will get hit and not the occasional over the limit downloader.

[Keane]

I'm no longer calling them Virgin, because a company that likes to randomly screw customers doesn't deserve it.

I get back from vacation looking forward to 10mb, and on my first day home i'm capped unknowingly. It seems my cap just lifted, so it makes me wonder how long it will take for me to get capped even thought it's night.

[GraphiX2004]

here's the lies behind it all.

it's nearly 1am right now lets just say everyone who's on here started their downloads
about 12am, and qued them up before going to bed, there is alot more people right now
who's using their connections maxing them out getting as much stuff as fast as they can
before the STM limit at 10am, look at your DL/UL speed now it's great smooth fast.

come morning, back to slow as a turtle when everyones at work or school.

so everyone in the country lets say for theory sets their downloads via the night.
that is a HUGE load and surge on virgin networks as normally people would download
in stages, some morning, evening noon, night, mid morning, it would be staggard.

right now everyone's hammering it all at the same time where's the traffic jam?
it doesn't exist there is no jam right now if people are downloading in the offpeak
with their torrents or download managers it should be slow to a crawl but its not.

it's all lies lies and more bollox.

Originally Posted by CrowmanUK

The bandwidth should be available all the time, thats what you pay for, the convenience of using your connection when you want it, i'm not saying that you should be downloading 24/7 but if you get in from work, fire up your latest game and see you need a patch and start downloading it while watching some stuff on youtube why should you get managed? It makes no sense, you could download sod all in the day or night but if you want bandwidth at a time to suit you then you'll get penalised for it, Mr car boot whose connection is burning all day and night gets penalised the same as mr once a fortnight who downloads a patch and watches a few vids which takes him over the limit. where is the justice in that? And god help you if you're on adsl cos you'll get 8k/sec for a week during peak times, maybe they should inflict that on the 1% of heavy downloaders rather than imposing the limits that are in place now, that way the heavy users will get hit and not the occasional over the limit downloader.

if you remain within the limits in peak time & do your downloads outside that, I cannot see how anyone is seriously inconvenienced - the comments regarding illegal modems are moot, but not strictly relevant to the majority of subscribers, the 'peak' times when STM occurs for the rest of us are published and can be avoided -if you are serious about uploading/downloading files, then do it outside the STM window - you have until 10 am, just now, for example, what do you want you cannot download in 9 hours at 9 Gig an hour???

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Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

here's the lies behind it all.

it's nearly 1am right now lets just say everyone who's on here started their downloads
about 12am, and qued them up before going to bed, there is alot more people right now
who's using their connections maxing them out getting as much stuff as fast as they can
before the STM limit at 10am, look at your DL/UL speed now it's great smooth fast.

come morning, back to slow as a turtle when everyones at work or school.

so everyone in the country lets say for theory sets their downloads via the night.
that is a HUGE load and surge on virgin networks as normally people would download
in stages, some morning, evening noon, night, mid morning, it would be staggard.

right now everyone's hammering it all at the same time where's the traffic jam?
it doesn't exist there is no jam right now if people are downloading in the offpeak
with their torrents or download managers it should be slow to a crawl but its not.

it's all lies lies and more bollox.

please post your links to the bandwidth utilisation data on the network, just now, so we can decide if you are commenting on actual data, or just posting opinions as facts

[GraphiX2004]

Sorry no data no facts just common sense if people can't download in the restricted times
then the humans with brains will quickly change download habits to none restricting times.

were human were not animals, but then again an animal if it watching other animals being
shot because it crossed over a certain part of the land at the certain time of the day.
every day then see's animals not being shot while doing it in the dark

that animal would eventually have enough brains to cross that line at night time

again Common Sense says so

Originally Posted by homealone

just now, for example, what do you want you cannot download in 9 hours at 9 Gig an hour???

You realise the whole point of having a faster connection is to download files faster, right? you know, to get the download over and done with so you can carry on with whatever your doing, right?