[Merged] STM with yet more restrictions starts

[mcmanic]

back to the good old days of dialup and leaving your pc on 24/7 to be able to actually download anything. Broadband Britain what a joke, lol

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Really??

If you're unmetered and there's no hosepipe ban in force then yes you can use as much as you like.

If you're metered you can still use as much as you like because the customer knows they are paying for it.

Which is why I think it is a good analogy -you can 'theoretically' use as much as you like, but if everyone did so do you think the water company would just ignore it - I reckon they would reduce the pressure at peak times

- now metered is a different scenario - do we really want that for internet connections??

[peanut]

Originally Posted by homealone

Which is why I think it is a good analogy -you can 'theoretically' use as much as you like, but if everyone did so do you think the water company would just ignore it - I reckon they would reduce the pressure at peak times

- now metered is a different scenario - do we really want that for internet connections??

They prefer you to be umetered as it's more expensive, there's only always a limit to what you can use anyway but it is your choice, either pay more to have what you like when you like or pay less to only what you use, that makes perfect sense.

A metered broadband, well it is effectively that already now isn't it.

But broadband is classed totally different, people pay £37 a month to be able to download what they like, do they really care about Joe Bloggs down the street, is it their fault the system can't cope because VM over subscibes without upgrading their systems?

[Web-Junkie]

Why don't VM advertise what their STM restrictions are on the TV when they harp on about their broadband?

I guess no F***** would sign up if they did!

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Web-Junkie

Why don't VM advertise what their STM restrictions are on the TV when they harp on about their broadband?

I guess no F***** would sign up if they did!

No, but they subliminially advertise that there is NO stm is place and that you should sign up now to their under subscribed, unlimited, cheap, supersonic etc broadband.

[mcmanic]

lol, not downloaded anything today , just fired up my newsgroup for something and straight away on 5meg STM, so much for your usage allowance, bollox to it, PC just stays on now all the time, cannot be bothered about ajusting my download habits seeing there is no window to move it

Originally Posted by peanutkp

They prefer you to be umetered as it's more expensive, there's only always a limit to what you can use anyway but it is your choice, either pay more to have what you like when you like or pay less to only what you use, that makes perfect sense.

A metered broadband, well it is effectively that already now isn't it.

But broadband is classed totally different, people pay £37 a month to be able to download what they like, do they really care about Joe Bloggs down the street, is it their fault the system can't cope because VM over subscibes without upgrading their systems?

Isn't that the whole point, though, the system was never ever designed to cope with simultaneous full speed downloads (and more especially uploads) - I agree VM have made a rod for their own back by using the 'unlimited' term, but it was designed as a contended system, and that is what it remains.

- I take the point about over-subscription, but it isn't only people in oversubscribed areas who get STM applied - if anything they are lucky to hit the limits The fundamental seems to be the idea put in subscribers heads that they can download (and upload) 24/7. While I agree that is due to poor marketing, it doesn't change the situation wrt the capacity of the system. Upgrades have been done - but not to the extent it would allow that scenario to be possible, and while the money they owe remains so high, seems unlikely ever to happen???

[Ben B]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

You could only lower the broadband to M you cant have 2for£20 as you already have a bundle

I already am on Broadband M

[peanut]

Originally Posted by homealone

Isn't that the whole point, though, the system was never ever designed to cope with simultaneous full speed downloads (and more especially uploads) - I agree VM have made a rod for their own back by using the 'unlimited' term, but it was designed as a contended system, and that is what it remains.

- I take the point about over-subscription, but it isn't only people in oversubscribed areas who get STM applied - if anything they are lucky to hit the limits The fundamental seems to be the idea put in subscribers heads that they can download (and upload) 24/7. While I agree that is due to poor marketing, it doesn't change the situation wrt the capacity of the system. Upgrades have been done - but not to the extent it would allow that scenario to be possible, and while the money they owe remains so high, seems unlikely ever to happen???

If I wasn't going to go over the limits that they suggest (which is a puny amount), then I'd pay for the small package and pay next to nothing for it. Then I'll browse and email and use the net, oh sorry you can't use the net for as it's intended on the lower tier.

But I chose to pay top whack, it was my perogative to do so, to allow me to do what they advertised, download what I like when I like. Not everyone on the 20mb downloads 24/7, mainly because the speed we signed up for gave us that option not to have to.

Sorry but you ain't going to convince me that it's the public's fault for all of this. This is all down to VM and the way they like to screw people over to cut as many costs as possible without informing their customers.

[dav]

I do between 2 and 10GB per month total traffic on a 2Mb line

In no way am I a heavy user, and yet I still get penalised for using the connection I pay for at times that are inconvenient for VM.

Makes me sick.

The only good thing I can see about the policy change is that the limits on the evening cap have been increased to 512MB from 350MB. Also, it's probably unlikely I'll bust the daytime cap.
However, for those on the higher speeds, it really must stick in your throat when asked to swallow this garbage.

Can VM limit the whole day and still call it unlimited that surely is not allowed

[peanut]

Originally Posted by darthlinux

Can VM limit the whole day and still call it unlimited that surely is not allowed

If they say up to 20mb but limit you to only 56k for 24 hours, then effectively they could still say it's unlimited, it'll take a giant hairy beanbag to say its still unlimited but I still think they'll get away with it.

[piggy]

Originally Posted by peanutkp

Really??

If you're unmetered and there's no hosepipe ban in force then yes you can use as much as you like.

If you're metered you can still use as much as you like because the customer knows they are paying for it.

use as much as you like.........not what you need that is exactly why people should pay for quantity of a finite resourse, otherwise people abuse the system because they can. pigs feeding at a trough springs to mind.

I was ok with the evening STM but for ****sake this is great stupid and I cant leave

[peanut]

Originally Posted by piggy

use as much as you like.........not what you need that is exactly why people should pay for quantity of a finite resourse, otherwise people abuse the system because they can. pigs feeding at a trough springs to mind.

If you read up I said not all people download 24/7, people pay the top whack so they don't have to. The choice is no longer there now even though they are still paying the high amount. After all, these people who do download loads will just download more than ever to make it up.

The principle of the matter is now people are paying £37 for a 5mb connection with 20min bursts of higher speed. Now is that fair?