We need this guy to run the country.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

He gets results and he keeps getting re-elected don't tell me Damien and Forever all the people that vote for him are too stupid to see anything other then what sheriff joe tells em . Personally i would vote for the guy and would be more then happy to have him run anything he wants as it would make a change from the excuses and incompetence we have become so used to and accept as normal. His methods infuriate the liberals in his own country and everywhere else and thats another reason why i like the guy anyone that does that is doing something right.

No, Sorry have to disagree.

There is a difference between getting things done and abusing your power. In this country, and hopefully most other European and other American States he would be be forced to resign let alone get re-elected.

Liberals do not have the Monopoly on Human Rights. IMO no one, right or left, can approve of some of the actions he has made. They are not results, they are criminal actions in their own right, violence is not suddenly excusable just because it is commited against prisoners. Especially those convicted, or those awaiting trail, for minor crimes.

In the link Foreverwar provided there are clear incidents, and repeated incidents, of violence being used against prisoners. We can give him some benefit of the doubt in that criminals are likely to lie but there has been a death, a broken neck, and a broken leg among others and these incidents where against non-violent criminals.

If you think that is "getting the job done" then good luck to you but thankfully even among those in the UK who want the death penality back that is a step too far and most people with an intrest in upholding the law would not suggest that those entrusted with that power are above it

I am willing to accept a lot of his complaints are spun, I understand some criminals are prone to lying, however these are medical facts and are supported by compaints being upheld in court. Not just one, but a re-occuring pattern of them. This is not tough jusitice, this is abuse.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

He gets results and he keeps getting re-elected don't tell me Damien and Forever all the people that vote for him are too stupid to see anything other then what sheriff joe tells em . Personally i would vote for the guy and would be more then happy to have him run anything he wants as it would make a change from the excuses and incompetence we have become so used to and accept as normal. His methods infuriate the liberals in his own country and everywhere else and thats another reason why i like the guy anyone that does that is doing something right.

Well just hope you never get arrested by him just incase you end up like the 2 guys in Foreverwar's post i.e. dead. Well at least your family will end up rich.

Enter the PC / human rights brigade

Originally Posted by Nidge

Enter the PC / human rights brigade

That is a really weak argument and your actually doing this so-called brigade a lot of credit if you think that condeming this guy's actions is 'PC'

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

He gets results and he keeps getting re-elected don't tell me Damien and Forever all the people that vote for him are too stupid to see anything other then what sheriff joe tells em . Personally i would vote for the guy and would be more then happy to have him run anything he wants as it would make a change from the excuses and incompetence we have become so used to and accept as normal. His methods infuriate the liberals in his own country and everywhere else and thats another reason why i like the guy anyone that does that is doing something right.

Perhaps they should try incorporating some aspects of rehabilitation, seeing as this harsh regime doesn't seem to have acted as much of a deterrent, his reoffending rates are as high as anywhere else, whilst our system is deeply flawed, the Sherriffs system is just going from one extreme to another

[c_r]

Originally Posted by Damien

That is a really weak arguement and you are actually do this so-called brigade a lot of credit if you think that condeming this guys actions is 'PC'

Exactly. I don't see how someone who doesn't want prisoners being beaten to death can possibly be described as being part of the PC brigade.

[Nugget]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

He gets results and he keeps getting re-elected don't tell me Damien and Forever all the people that vote for him are too stupid to see anything other then what sheriff joe tells em . Personally i would vote for the guy and would be more then happy to have him run anything he wants as it would make a change from the excuses and incompetence we have become so used to and accept as normal. His methods infuriate the liberals in his own country and everywhere else and thats another reason why i like the guy anyone that does that is doing something right.

I don't think anyone's saying that the people who vote for him are stupid. Having said that, they are American...

Well to be honest maybe i care less about the rights of people that break the law then i used too, maybe i am sick of the law abiding having to walk around and live their lives in fear because gangs of **** roam the estates and streets of this country. Maybe i want to not just hear about justice being done but i want to see it and feel it being done and if someone like him could come to this little oasis for criminals and do that i would be prepared to put up with some heavy handedness.

As for me hoping i wouldn't be arrested by him or someone like him i don't worry about it and you know why because i live my life in a law abiding way so i don't have to worry no matter how hard we come down on criminals because i am not one of them. What i am is as mentioned above sick of the **** in this country having the run of the land and i want to see something done to put fear into them and to make them feel extremely uncomfortable in their little world of abuse and general anti-social behaviour instead of it always being the good living like that or ending up as a statistic if you try to change\stand up to them.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well to be honest maybe i care less about the rights of people that break the law then i used too, maybe i am sick of the law abiding having to walk around and live their lives in fear because gangs of **** roam the estates and streets of this country. Maybe i want to not just hear about justice being done but i want to see it and feel it being done and if someone like him could come to this little oasis for criminals and do that i would be prepared to put up with some heavy handedness.

As for me hoping i wouldn't be arrested by him or someone like him i don't worry about it and you know why because i live my life in a law abiding way so i don't have to worry no matter how hard we come down on criminals because i am not one of them. What i am is as mentioned above sick of the **** in this country having the run of the land and i want to see something done to put fear into them and to make them feel extremely uncomfortable in their little world of abuse and general anti-social behaviour instead of it always being the good living like that or ending up as a statistic if you try to change\stand up to them.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well to be honest maybe i care less about the rights of people that break the law then i used too, maybe i am sick of the law abiding having to walk around and live their lives in fear because gangs of **** roam the estates and streets of this country. Maybe i want to not just hear about justice being done but i want to see it and feel it being done and if someone like him could come to this little oasis for criminals and do that i would be prepared to put up with some heavy handedness.

This is not heavy handedness; one of the people who died was arrested for loitering. Hardly ****.

Charles Agster, a mentally handicapped man who was killed in the County Jail shortly after being arrested on misdemeanour loitering charges. The subsequent lawsuit resulted in a $9 million dollar verdict against the office.

These actions are awful crimes in themselves but are they to be excused because the people committing them are doing so against criminals and alleged criminals? At very best this is a case for serious neglect; no officers were brought to trail. How is that Justice?

A whole history of abuse in this jail, anyone who speaks out is deemed a do-Gooding political correct member of the human rights brigade it seems. This is not justice, its just revenge. This prison system has seen Deaths, Broken Necks, and more. None of those incidents were for crimes such as murder.

That is just fighting crime with more crime. The only difference is the prison system is the one doing it.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Well to be honest maybe i care less about the rights of people that break the law then i used too, maybe i am sick of the law abiding having to walk around and live their lives in fear because gangs of **** roam the estates and streets of this country. Maybe i want to not just hear about justice being done but i want to see it and feel it being done and if someone like him could come to this little oasis for criminals and do that i would be prepared to put up with some heavy handedness.

As for me hoping i wouldn't be arrested by him or someone like him i don't worry about it and you know why because i live my life in a law abiding way so i don't have to worry no matter how hard we come down on criminals because i am not one of them. What i am is as mentioned above sick of the **** in this country having the run of the land and i want to see something done to put fear into them and to make them feel extremely uncomfortable in their little world of abuse and general anti-social behaviour instead of it always being the good living like that or ending up as a statistic if you try to change\stand up to them.

What if they haven't broken the law?Not everyone that is arrested is always guilty.Sometimes mistakes are made like police raiding the wrong house...Which has happened a lot here and in the US.

[G UK]

As always there is a middle ground of which we have two extremes represented.

Me, I would go with the forced labour. Make these people pay for there own upkeep via the work they do. Unless someone is convicted they should not be placed in prison but should be free, remember its innocent untill proven guilty.

I agree with depriving prisoners of most recreation facilities including TV and gyms etc. They are not in prison for pleasure and such should be given no recreation activities. To pass time provide them with the option of books and learning opportunities which they must pay for from there earned pay.

I disagree with any and all beating and torture. If a prisoner gets violent go in and take them down in force but dont beat them as punishment instead deprive them of pay and if they are a threat to another prisoner they spend there time in solitary, if they can no longer afford to feed themselves they get put on bread and water if they still play up they dont even get that.

The only problem with this is you need the prisons monitored closely to stop the powers being abused and prisoners starved even if they dont do anything wrong.

In summary Prisons should be a place to be feared. Once inside someone who obeys the rules and works hard should be allowed to better themselves. But someone who still wants to cause trouble should be broken.

Then again this is 5 minutes thought on the matter so I'm sure its full of holes for people to pick at

Round and round we go making reasons to do nothing something we in the UK have become experts at we see a problem and debate it to death until the point where there should be some action then we find another excuse and debate that and so on and so on. While all the time the cause of this problem that segment of society that feels it has a right to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants goes about doing exactly that laughing at us all for being so completely ineffective at stopping them. Oneday you will wake up after pondering the rights of all these people and find that one person you care about has been their latest victim.

[c_r]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Round and round we go making reasons to do nothing something we in the UK have become experts at we see a problem and debate it to death until the point where there should be some action then we find another excuse and debate that and so on and so on. While all the time the cause of this problem that segment of society that feels it has a right to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants goes about doing exactly that laughing at us all for being so completely ineffective at stopping them. Oneday you will wake up after pondering the rights of all these people and find that one person you care about has been their latest victim.

Indeed, but your opinion seems to be that a prisoner being beaten to death is an acceptable price to pay for an increased fear of the law. My opinion is that it isn't. A very good way to judge how humane and civilised a society is is to look at how it treats prisoners.

[Jon T]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Round and round we go making reasons to do nothing something we in the UK have become experts at we see a problem and debate it to death until the point where there should be some action then we find another excuse and debate that and so on and so on. While all the time the cause of this problem that segment of society that feels it has a right to do whatever it wants to whoever it wants goes about doing exactly that laughing at us all for being so completely ineffective at stopping them. Oneday you will wake up after pondering the rights of all these people and find that one person you care about has been their latest victim.

You can quite easily say the same thing in reverse to the last bit of that statement. If we got someone like that to sort out our penal system then at some point you may be attending the funeral of a (possibly innocent) relative that has met their end at the hands of a regime like his.

The punishment must fit the crime, it doesn't do that very often in this country, but neither then agian Joe Arpaio seems to meet any crime proven or not with the same level of "punishment".