Leaving Virgin ? - Page 3

BenMcr · 17-05-2008, 11:18

Probably the same way they can tell what speed of broadband you have, whether you have PCGuard, what your e-mail addresses are, whether you are on STM etc

Anyway this thread is getting off topic

Sirius · 17-05-2008, 11:27

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Virgin can't exactly stop them! However I'm sure it hasn't gone un-noticed by them what Phorm are saying

What would you do though if you got a letter saying 'Yes we are doing Phorm but you have to Opt In?'

Leave as they cannot be trusted not to send the data through the kit anyway and just not send the adverts to me to make it look like they are not seeing my data. How can Virgin say you are Opt in to Phorm when they will have no access to Phorms servers in there own headends and Pops and will have NO visibility of what that **** bag company is doing with the data.. So yes i would still leave.

NTLVictim · 17-05-2008, 11:30

Been with them for years...but if they adopt webspies, I'm gone.

Sirius · 17-05-2008, 11:31

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

Virgin can't exactly stop them!

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Why

If i had a company and another was lying about me i would have them in court.

Florence · 17-05-2008, 11:37

I have moved from VM over Phorm I paid to have BT line fitted and joined Aquiss.net a smaller ISP not big enough to attract phorm plus one that has said they are not interested in using phorm. They are supplied by Entanet that is largly a business internet supplier who has also said they will not deal with phorm.

After 15years cable phone and 8yrs internet I have finally moved back to a BT line I now have a sync rate of 7meg with a ping to couinter strike of 15 to 21 vast difference to my VM ping to same servers of 50 to 400 spiking all the time. Work to resolve this was put back 3 times as far as I know perhaps still being set back.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Why

If i had a company and another was lying about me i would have them in court.

Well are they lying after all VM are the ones who stuck their heads in the sand after the browstuff hit the fan.

Anyway if Phorm shares don't get suspended then the investigation will prove that VM have signed up with them and VM are the ones not speaking since it would not be the truth.

Tarantella · 17-05-2008, 11:42

I left VM (20mb connection??!) in January after 7 years and came back in April (2mb). I started online many years ago playing games and if I don't like what what happens I'll simply go back to playing games again, and watching a bit of iPlayer to suck up some bandwidth.

What annoys me most is that their business plan does not reward long term customers with automatic discounts but you have to phone up and threaten to leave to get them to drop prices, whilst all the while they offer new customers cheaper deals.

If you see your customers as one year clients then that's what you will end up getting. It's that simple.

BenMcr · 17-05-2008, 11:47

Virgin don't. All multi service bundles like the 2 for Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£20/3 for Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â£30/VIP have no end date. This has been in place since Virgin launched in Feb 2007

The problem is the ex-ntl/ex-tw pricing and migrating those customer correctly to current options

Florence · 17-05-2008, 12:34

BenMcr those options are worthless if your privacy is under threat from phorm. There is no way I will accept that amount of intrusion into my privacy for any company I pay to have a service from that is the bottom line I pay for my service I expect respect and my privacy protected, not sold out to an advertising platform. I pay for the bandwidth that has limits on it or slow down why should it be used up with forced unwanted adverts.

If people feel strongly enough about their privacy and if they lose trust in the ISP then regardless of what the cost or loss to speed they will move elsewhere..

BenMcr · 17-05-2008, 12:58

I'm not disagreeing that IF Virgin adopt Phorm then people will leave and may have good grounds to do so. Personally I'm not a fan of it at all.

But it hasn't happened yet. And no-one knows how Virgin may implement it if they do (not even Virgin as they have only done lab tests so far)

Bonglet · 17-05-2008, 13:13

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

But it hasn't happened yet. And no-one knows how Virgin may implement it if they do (not even Virgin as they have only done lab tests so far)

I beg to differ on the lab tests especially since i saw the same dns sysip.net as documented by bt customers on the illegal trials on vm in 2007 belive it or not and i belive a good few other people had the problems i had but put it down to virus or browser hijack at the time.

I also belive that vm also did these trials roughly as i can recall 1-2 month after the VM name rebrand, as a company just like bt vm could not do just lab tests to many tick boxes have to be ticked before it is fully rolled out, how many people would join a trial that involves you being spied upon with no benefit compared to a trial for extra bandwith not very many im sure you'll agree, plus those network impact reports have to tick all the right boxes before live also.

Considering vm changed there T&C's in the rebrand to accomodate phorm for such a trial in 2007 were in place, then and the very fact that they were going to roll out by now if the bt stuff didnt hit the fan (checkout the youtube videos of kent posted by phorm themselves promoting phorm back in febuary-march saying all the 3 isp's were having phorm turned on in a couple of weeks) is just another part of all the puzzle.
Especially more in my eyes considering vm have ignored my last 2 emails where all i wanted was a written denial by themselves that i was no part of any 2007 trial of any phorm kit by hand or e-mail.

If any high up vm employee sees this prove me wrong, my calls to support in between about may-july 2007 should be documented by yourselves.

Instant switch off if phorm ever goes live by myself, been a customer for over 6 years a 18 month bt line contract and be unlimited will sort me out.

Pity all the good work telewest done with the customer back in the day has gone and all were left with is not a lot.

Florence · 17-05-2008, 13:18

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Originally Posted by BenMcr

I'm not disagreeing that IF Virgin adopt Phorm then people will leave and may have good grounds to do so. Personally I'm not a fan of it at all.

But it hasn't happened yet. And no-one knows how Virgin may implement it if they do (not even Virgin as they have only done lab tests so far)

I left after I was passed a message from a friend who kows someone high up in VM say it wasn't so much if thye implement this more when. They also said they wouldn't like to be the person to sort out the mess if it went tits up since it is a load of servers i a line.

For me that is enough to lose faith and trust since we all know what the yanks are like see dollars and the blinkers go up they become deaf, dumb and blind to everything but the dollars.

slowcoach · 17-05-2008, 21:48

Microsoft has been calling home with our information for years, many proprietary applications routinely call home, what information they are collecting and passing home we can only guess, but you can be sure they will always want more of it. Phorm is just one more information collector on the long list.
Our on-line activities are already well known by many companies so it is a little late to start worrying now, unless you have dark secrets lurking in the closet.

Berealwith · 17-05-2008, 21:52

Rumor has it ................ it was part of the deal to get back some of those programmes, that got lost.....get it "lost"....you get them back but you must take on phorm as part of the deal......like i said its only a rumor.

sorry on topic............looks like more will leave if Phorm comes in

HSp8 · 18-05-2008, 09:49

although I don't want phorm/STM, speed is the most important factor for me, and as an early morning downloader, I tend to get full speeds when I need them

yes, it's expensive, but I don't think I could stand going back to ADSL

18-05-2008, 12:08

I dont see why people are so up in air about phorm as slow coach said there are companies that collect your informatoion already its market research I bet the people who are kicking off regarding phorm dont even know how Phorm works and just jumping on the band wagon its gonna be either a opt in or opt out if you guys know so much make sure u opt out all ISP will do this soon