Baseball bat victim hit 14 times by an Asian!

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

thats totally irrelevent. If a group of yobs were causing trouble outside my house and their was a need for me to intervene then my stick would be taken out and I would be willing to use it if needed but that does not make me a bringer of trouble just an ender of trouble ( oh and my stick is a metal bar with said leather wrist strap )

Slightly off topic, but wouldnt that be just escalalting the situation. You mention "if there is a need for me to intervene", in my opinion there are too many people who feel a need to intervene in a manner which can only make matters worse. You (im talking generally not specifically you) go out with a baseball bat, then a) you're not acting in self defence, b) there is some potential for the situation to escalate.

This old man somehow felt threatened for his own saftey, even tho he was in his own house. He went out with a baseball bat. Whatever happened the baseball bat ends up being used as the murder weapon.

We can harp on till the cows come home about how the Sikh guy could have used a brick or a knife or whatever if he wanted to kill him. We could also argue that the intention to kill was only made after he saw the obvious weapon.

I reckon if the old man hadn't gone out with a weapon, we would have one man in hospital suffering from cuts and bruises and an asian guy on an ABH or GBH charge, not murder.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Slightly off topic, but wouldnt that be just escalalting the situation. You mention "if there is a need for me to intervene", in my opinion there are too many people who feel a need to intervene in a manner which can only make matters worse. You (im talking generally not specifically you) go out with a baseball bat, then a) you're not acting in self defence, b) there is some potential for the situation to escalate.

This old man somehow felt threatened for his own saftey, even tho he was in his own house. He went out with a baseball bat. Whatever happened the baseball bat ends up being used as the murder weapon.

We can harp on till the cows come home about how the Sikh guy could have used a brick or a knife or whatever if he wanted to kill him. We could also argue that the intention to kill was only made after he saw the obvious weapon.

I reckon if the old man hadn't gone out with a weapon, we would have one man in hospital suffering from cuts and bruises and an asian guy on an ABH or GBH charge, not murder.

Curious...too many people who feel the need to intervene? where are you from? most people will turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is happening in this day and age, if it wasnt for people like zingle there would be alot more beatings/murders going on..

Perhaps you should show a little more respect for people who are helping

And no, if someone is going to commit murder, they'll do it regardless of who "intervenes"....

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by TraxData

Curious...too many people who feel the need to intervene? where are you from? most people will turn a blind eye and pretend nothing is happening in this day and age, if it wasnt for people like zingle there would be alot more beatings/murders going on..

Perhaps you should show a little more respect for people who are helping

And no, if someone is going to commit murder, they'll do it regardless of who "intervenes"....

Going out with a baseball bat sure prevented this situation from getting worse. You're assumption is based on the guy already deciding to kill someone? then if this was the case he would have already had a weapon with him.

This got out of hand and the presence of a guy with a baseball bat is a contributary factor to the murder.

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Going out with a baseball bat sure prevented this situation from getting worse. You're assumption is based on the guy already deciding to kill someone? then if this was the case he would have already had a weapon with him.

This got out of hand and the presence of a guy with a baseball bat is a contributary factor to the murder.

Nah...most people who commit murder do so without a weapon.

It may have cotributed to the situation (in a bad way) but he still would have murdered someone.

And besides,regardless of the old man coming outside with a bat, he did commit murder...so he shouldnt be walking the streets anyway...anyone capable of commiting murder shouldnt be roaming aorund.


So it's still a good ending (in the sense that he isnt walking the streets anymore)

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Slightly off topic, but wouldnt that be just escalalting the situation. You mention "if there is a need for me to intervene", in my opinion there are too many people who feel a need to intervene in a manner which can only make matters worse. You (im talking generally not specifically you) go out with a baseball bat, then a) you're not acting in self defence, b) there is some potential for the situation to escalate.

This old man somehow felt threatened for his own saftey, even tho he was in his own house. He went out with a baseball bat. Whatever happened the baseball bat ends up being used as the murder weapon.

We can harp on till the cows come home about how the Sikh guy could have used a brick or a knife or whatever if he wanted to kill him. We could also argue that the intention to kill was only made after he saw the obvious weapon.

I reckon if the old man hadn't gone out with a weapon, we would have one man in hospital suffering from cuts and bruises and an asian guy on an ABH or GBH charge, not murder.

I would only intervene if mine or my property became at risk .Maybe it would escalate a situation but I will protect those I love and property I own

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

I would only intervene if mine or my property became at risk .Maybe it would escalate a situation but I will protect those I love and property I own

Thats why I wasn't aiming what I said spcifically at you.

If my property and family was being threatened I'd do the same. Or if I saw someone laying into a defenseless person I would (nd have done so in the past) intervene - tho not necessarily with a weapon.

If a couple of drunks are having a scuffle down the road, I'd call the police. I wouldnt go down and contribute to the situation with a weapon.

[roadwolf]

It may have cotributed to the situation (in a bad way) but he still would have murdered someone.

And besides,regardless of the old man coming outside with a bat, he did commit murder...so he shouldnt be walking the streets anyway...anyone capable of commiting murder shouldnt be roaming aorund.


How do you know he would still have murdered someone, if he hadn't have taken the bat then the other person may have kicked the **** out of him.Your last statement implies that 90% of the population shouldn't be roaming around because no one knows who is capable of commiting murder until it happens.

Seems to me there is a big bit of this story we know nothing about that bit of course being why did this guy go from trying to see his girlfriend to murdering someone. Everyone seems to be assuming this guy just went off on one but i am not so sure thats all that happened. I am not defending the guy but i think there is a lot more to this then we know and until we know all of it we shouldn't go too far in our suggestions or what we say about the individual concerned.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Seems to me there is a big bit of this story we know nothing about that bit of course being why did this guy go from trying to see his girlfriend to murdering someone. Everyone seems to be assuming this guy just went off on one but i am not so sure thats all that happened. I am not defending the guy but i think there is a lot more to this then we know and until we know all of it we shouldn't go too far in our suggestions or what we say about the individual concerned.

Exactly... One minute he's arguing with his girlfriend, the next he is murdering someone with a baseball bat. In between we know someone came out witha baseball bat.

Maybe the asian guy was attacked or threatened by baseball weilding fella, then grabbed the bat and killed first guy.

Whats even stranger is if you read the entire link posted by the OP it looks like the asian guy went back to the old mans house, got some coke off him and then knicked the bat??!!! Or am I going dooolally?

What is true is that we dont know the facts. People are assuming because he ended up killing someone he is a scummy murderor. We dont even know if he was acting in self defence.