All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down - Page 33

Sirius · 11-05-2008, 15:20

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Originally Posted by TraxData

What makes me laugh is the posts on there say they are just complying with the law...LOL.

Wouldnt be because VM contacted them and demanded it be taken down (with the hosting company) would it ?

Well lets all comply with the law.

Anyone with information about people supplying or using illicit equipment to receive Virgin Media TV channelÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢s should call the confidential hotline on 0800 096 7800.

the-cable-guy · 11-05-2008, 17:09

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Originally Posted by TraxData

While they would not grass on another drug dealer, they would rob/beat/even kill* (if neccessary) the other dealer if he is taking their turf.

Been at someones house when 4 big 6ft travellers came smashin the door in to get some druggies stash

i never said owt about robbing i was just saying that they wouldnt grass on one another.

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Originally Posted by TraxData

What makes me laugh is the posts on there say they are just complying with the law...LOL.

Wouldnt be because VM contacted them and demanded it be taken down (with the hosting company) would it ?

hence why they say for educational use only, they use that as a cop out.

foxuk · 11-05-2008, 17:42

If I connect the Virgin cable to my computer for the freeview stuff, what sort of card would be the cheapest and do I need a box as well?

Seemed the right sort of place to ask such a simple question. I know nothing at all about how Virgin thingamie works

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fox

P.S If anyone really believes that the old twaddle of 'honour among thieves' and 'not grassing' ever existed I can recommend a good psychiatrist. It's just like the 'real world' people don't do things to people when they are afraid of the consequenses - if they think they can get away with it there are no consequenses. Hope that makes sense?

the-cable-guy · 11-05-2008, 17:44

you would need a DVB-C card.

Hiroki · 11-05-2008, 18:10

Isnt that breaking Virgin's T&C by connecting to their system by using none vm equipment?

Or is it legal to use one of those cards in your pc?

the-cable-guy · 11-05-2008, 18:19

im not 100% sure 2bh.

foxuk · 11-05-2008, 18:38

Hey - I can answer that one -

If it is a breach of T&C that does not necessarily make it illegal. It would be a breach of contract (which is civil not criminal law) if against the T&C.

Illegality would depend on INTENT to permanently deprive. i.e. simply getting progs without paying. If there were no charge, as in freeview, it could be argued that there was no loss therefore no theft................... in theory.

Breach of T&C is civil Law and a loss would have to be proved, as would intent and a monetary value assessed. The proof would be on the basis of 'probable' rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt' in a criminal case.

They'd be mad to go to court and just cut off supply IMHO.

The thing is would it breach T&C?

If it does breach T&C should I get a set top box and use it as an interface between the cable and the PC and if so what would be the best/cheapest card?

fox

P.S. Sorry to be so pedantic about British Law but there seems to be a current attempt by the USA to 'colonise' our legal system with their 'commercial' system which is after all the best money can BUY.

frogstamper · 11-05-2008, 18:38

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Originally Posted by Rob

Engineer attendance in 48 hours (you really can't count Sunday) isn't bad. Very few companies would expect to get someone there quicker.

But is it really going to be a fault to do with updates to stop the dodgy users? Probably not since those started to be applied weeks ago.

Well said Rob, VM certainly has its faults and Ive done my fair share of moaning but as regards getting an engineer out I have no complaints. Rang VM last Friday [9/5/08] at 13.30 because I was getting bad pixelation on certain channels, CS said I needed an engineer after doing a few tests, "would tomorrow be convenient sir", engineer arrived at 10.20am, fixed problem by boosting the signal from green box, the job was done in 15 minuets. So from making the initial phone call the problem was solved in less than 24 hours, kudos to VM.

the-cable-guy · 11-05-2008, 18:40

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frogstamper · 11-05-2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

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Yes I know was a little off topic, but hey credit where its due..

cableview · 12-05-2008, 01:19

virgin has acted too quickly in my opinion theve banned the sale of the boxes in name from ebay but theve just drove the problem underground now.when most of the offenders come to court all they have to say is that they were selling free to air boxes which is legal vm will have to prove otherwise which i doubt...verdict...a total waste of taxpayers money in police and courts.

the-cable-guy · 12-05-2008, 01:20

true but its always been underground.

SMHarman · 12-05-2008, 22:54

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Originally Posted by Nilrem

smharman, what time did you report your dvr as dead?
If ldavey's father came home from work and reported his box bust it could have been too late in the day for next day (especially for a saturday) appointment.

48 hours is, unless you're paying a real premium for better support about as good as you can realistically get, especially when that 48 hours is over a weekend, for a non-essential (luxury?) consumer service* that is likely to require someone to spend an hour or more to get to it and sort it out (as opposed to get a courier out to pick it up and drop off a new one).

*As opposed to something that is essential (gas, water, electric etc).

About 4pm on Sunday I think and I agree with what you are saying about turnaround. Thing is hear Cable is getting pushed by DirectTV (Sat) who are pushing over 100 channels of HD (which is a lot of marketing guff, counting the fact you broadcast the same channell offset 4 times for the different time zones does not to me make 4 channels), pushed by FiOS who can only market faster upload speeds as a benefit in and around NYC as the cable industry here has got its act in gear and is offering 20/2 and 30/3 as the basic and premium services.

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

thats how companies should treat their customers. although American cable companies are expensive their customer service is alot better.

I pay $102 a month for 20/2 broadband ($44.95) and an HD DVR ($9.95) on Family Cable ($39.90) (the rest is taxes etc. http://www.optimum.com/package_list....d=19&pkgType=1
I could add a phone line and go triple play for $29.95 a month each so $89.85, getting a phone line for an additional $5 a month but with a Vonage box at home I don't see a need for the expense.
Is that expensive?

the-cable-guy · 13-05-2008, 01:06

id say that thats very expensive, but then cable in America has always been over priced.

SMHarman · 13-05-2008, 01:29

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Originally Posted by the-cable-guy

id say that thats very expensive, but then cable in America has always been over priced.

Not wanting to take this off topic but I am with an ISP that I have not heard wants to deploy Phorm, makes enough money to outbid Murdoch and buy newspapers and has sufficient capital to be able to upgrade their infrastructure to carry 40+ chanels of HD, HD OnDemand and while it has traffic management on the Broadband I have not been in a situation where I have found the performance degraded (so perhaps I have not been impacted by it). I guess that is the choice, pay more, which the british public don't appear to want to, to get what you want or go to the lowest service at the lowest price.

At which point I seem to have tied up my contributions to the Phorm thread, the no more linear HD chanels thread and this one into a neat bundle