Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by popper

never fear Alexander, use the direct url and VLC in linux
mms://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/media_acl/mps/fix/news/science_nature/
video/170000/bb/170455_16x9_bb.wmv

flipping long unbroken urls ;(

ill re-edit it after you get it and break it down to fit the page better in a minute

broken down to fit the page better, so any other readers wanting to use it cut and paste the whole line and re-asemble it to use...

Please use this clickable link for that content popper if you want to edit the post.

http://tinyurl.com/6jejsq

[ziggycat]

Been following this thread for sometime now, eventually I have got round to posting. Just wanted to say well done Alexander on the click interview, I honestly don't think I could have stayed calm sitting next to that Tw@, you done yourself proud mate.

[CaptJamieHunter]

Watched the Click video. Good job I don't use Facebook or MySpace...

Again the BBC ran Phorm's stuff as standard and didn't say "Phorm claim" as any decent independent reporter would have done. Although they did get the point right about VM considering to go with Phorm rather than the erroneous tech article that said VM were going to do it and it would be opt-out.

The feature didn't really emphasise the point about websites being mirrored/copied/processed and didn't even try to discuss illegality.

Obviously heavily edited. Kent still lacks manners and politeness and was about as convincing as the Iraqi Information Minister.

I publish stuff online already - Phorm does nothing to enhance what I do. Damn sure it won't make it any more interesting. How can Kent claim that?

Here's a reminder for recent arrivals to the thread. Phorm first mentioned a network based opt-out at the public meeting and don't seem to have mentioned it since. Because they know it will kill their business model.

"The reality is that the public would like to use this service by default." - What complete cobblers! That's Mugabe thinking right there. Because people don't say "no" they are in fact saying "yes". Utter crap. And again Kent likes to try and drag the debate to Google rather than Phorm. Well Kent, someone I think very highly of works for Google and if she trusts them with her e-mail via a Gmail account then that's as good a recommendation as I will ever find.

Just for the record Kent, I'm not being bombarded with adverts today. More to the point I'm not bombarded with ANY adverts that I don't want. I choose which sites can serve me ads - sites I use and want to support.

There's only so much that can be fitted into a 5 minute slot. Nice job Alexander, you kept composed and cool. More than I might have.

[jelv]

Madasafish is now operated by Plusnet who have said they are having nothing to do with Phorm.

I've raised the issue on the Plusnet Community forums.

[warescouse]

Just watched the Click video with Kent & Alex.

Alex, I hope you gave your hand a good scrubbing afterwards!

Yuk I sincerely mean that, I really do. Would anybody even buy a brush off that man Kent if he came knocking your door?

The best advert for the anti-Phorm brigade is Kent himself. I mean that sincerely, I really do!

[vicz]

That would be the Plusnet that is also owned by BT of course...

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by mark777

Well done Alexander. The piece was obviously heavily edited.

It started with a lot of stock phorm guff giving their view of how it worked.

As you predicted, they could not show much of the interview without showing a 'raging Kent' and unfortunately that's what they did. It was quite tame.

The interviewer asked you to shake hands at the end etc, and indicated he was all 'hot and flustered', but if you had not have told us about Kent's behaviour, I wouldn't have known why.

All in all it was very tame. Other people may have things to add.

Hmmm. The heavy editing sucked away most of the content that might fire the imagination of the layman. We know the truth of this interview because we have it first hand from Alexander but if I'd just watched that interview and hadn't been privvy to Alex's supplement, I'm not sure it would have held my attention. Obviously this is in no way a criticism of you Alexander; you conducted yourself very well indeed despite rude interruption and expressed (y)our view clearly. What I'm trying to say is that engaging those with less interest in the topic is very important. Their view matters to us because their cash matters to VM/Phorm and if the wider audience will only get heavily edited output, this technology could still nip in the back door. I know I repeat things and I do apologise for it, but although as a vocal minority we are achieving some success, we really do need more overt support (hence my pleas to lurkers).

[Chroma]

Alexander get a haircut you hippie, its hanging in your eyes for gods sake :p

Seriously though did anyone else notice that Kent couldnt make any form of eye contact?

I especialy liked the part regarding ponies, dont you think targeted ads regarding ponies will give the game away?
"well no because if your getting hundreds of ads and a couple happen to be ponies would she notice?"

WTF?

Overall impression i got was the guy was a filthy, lowlife, lying snake and thats without the benifit of a backstory.
What i wouldnt give for some unedited footage.

[popper]

Originally Posted by jelv

Madasafish is now operated by Plusnet who have said they are having nothing to do with Phorm.

I've raised the issue on the Plusnet Community forums.

the issue being OC that they are using the DPI interceptionkit to break RIPA, Phorm Like.....

OC it now seems logical that seeing as it appears MediaFish got way with it under the radar for so long, that might be the reason BT executives didnt give the 2006/7 trials a second though until the DPI Phorm came to light.

and again, it seem logical that PlusNet can indeed say they wount use Phorm..... as they have the other DPI kit already in place and potentially stealing your datastream all this time perhaps?

[Mesmer]

Alex, I felt you did an absolutely fantastic job under extremely difficult circumstances in the Click video. Thanks for all your hard work and dedication.

Unfortunately, assertions like “the reality is that most people (making money out of pimping your data) want the system to be switched on by default� didn’t get challenged in the edited version.

My fear is that alarm bells may not go off when Joe Public views this. Hopefully, Kent’s contemptuous attitude towards users implying they needed Phorm to nanny them because they are too stupid to know how to switch IE7’s phishing protection on will go down very badly.

[CaptJamieHunter]

It is with sadness that I must withdraw from this discussion for a while. An impending bereavement grows ever nearer and the right place for me to be at this time is with my family.

I will try to stay in touch with things as and when I can. There's a written response expected from Neil Berkett that I will keep an eye out for.

To those people who are lurking, please register and join in. We've already achieved a lot against Phorm and today's announcement by VM is a big feather in the caps of everyone here.

There are battles to be won here - the battle to get VM to drop Phorm. VM's statement today is something very unusual. Companies looking to partner don't usually contradict each other in public press releases. VM is clearly having second (and maybe even third) thoughts about Phorm. If more people contribute here and let Neil Berkett (don't bother with customer services) know he's signed up with a real shyster and will lose reputation, customers and money then we can force home our advantage against their uncertainty.

The battle to get BT's sorry ass in court and Webwise declared illegal is one we can make a huge difference in. Spread the word, write to MPs, MEPs, Peers, people of influence in your local communities and make them aware of what Phorm is and what it stands for.

Until we meet again,

CJH

[lardycake]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

...So please everyone, go digg..
http://digg.com/tech_news/Legal_Anal...7_Phorm_Trials

Have dug as requested.

Have been following this thread for a while and many thanks to Alexander and others who are fighting this.
I've written to my MP (Mark Hunter, he was very supportive and concerned with privacy issues),
signed the no. 10 petition, and try to alert people as to what webwise/phorm actually is. I'm not a customer of BT, VM or TT but I do not want to see this allowed to take hold.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Welcome GoldenBoar . Come on you lurkers, get behind the people who are sticking their necks out on our behalf. Whilst people like Alexander are self-motivated, you can't beat actually knowing that the support you have is growing. It may make all the difference.

Hi some of those 'lurkers' are members but choose to not to necessarily log in.Some of us are logged in but choose to be invisible and some are just bots.
Then you will have the real lurkers who aren't ready to jump in just yet( some of whom may be spies for the opposition).

[mark777]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

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Until we meet again,

CJH

Our thoughts are with you and our thanks.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by mark777

Our thoughts are with you and our thanks.

Likewise.