Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[dav]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

We need more digg and slashdot action, you would be amazed how coverage on those 2 sites alone can send an issue viral in hours. If more people here register on both sites and digg up/firehose articles as they become available it will make a significant difference to public awareness. So please everyone, go digg and firehose the following:

http://digg.com/tech_news/Legal_Anal...7_Phorm_Trials
http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=650576

Lots of tech news sites and high profile bloggers use slashdot and digg as a primary news source.

As you can see here, Phorm articles performances on Digg have been particularly poor:

http://digg.com/search?s=Phorm&submi...all&sort=score

We need to keep the pressure on and make sure as much news gets posted to as many relevant web sites as possible.

Alexander Hanff

Done and done.

[vicz]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

I find it hard to believe any of Phorm's statements now. Certainly at the 80/20 Meeting during the questions panel Kent was put to task over the Guardian dropping them and he made a bit of a slip along the lines of No company have actually signed up to OIX yet but they are in discussion with lots of interested parties.

I would need to see the video (yes calling Simon shortly) of the question panel at the end of the meeting to clarify on that but I am pretty sure it was along those lines.

Alexander Hanff

FT.COM amongst those mentioned here http://www.phorm.com/about/launch_agreement.php

[Cogster]

Originally Posted by vicz

Tankety-tank

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...=summary&it=le

any spread bets for tomorrow? lol

[windowcleaner]

Originally Posted by The Other Steve

http://www.out-law.com/page-9090

About what you'd expect given Pinsent Masons LLP's relationship with BT, basically says that, yes, ISPs implementing Phorm are probably breaking tons of laws, but that's OK, where's the harm ?

Hmm, could this be construed as incitement to commit a felony?

[Kursk]

Welcome to the new joiners and thank you for coming from the shadows. Currently there are 37 members and 38 guests viewing this thread; discounting the spies there are still a few decent people out there who can provide the support needed now that we at least seem to be on the cusp of a change in ISP attitude. Please join up and join in.

VM's apparent change of stance is very encouraging. Tbh, I do not want to change my ISP and am more than happy to continue supporting VM's business through my subscriptions. VM must realise by now that Phorm could well be their undoing with so many normally mild-mannered customers absolutely against this technology. Please, please shape up Virgin; if you lose support, you may never regain it and that, in the long run, would make us all losers.

No PIA. No video. No PR Spin. They tried to make us go to webwise and we said no, no, NO!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (and women) do nothing". (Edmund Burke)

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Welcome to the new joiners and thank you for coming from the shadows. Currently there are 37 members and 38 guests viewing this thread; discounting the spies there are still a few decent people out there who can provide the support needed now that we at least seem to be on the cusp of a change in ISP attitude. Please join up and join in.

Doh! I've just noticed that I'm not logged in (deleted cookies, etc. after the video site hijack scare a few days ago) so one of those lurkers was me! Also, I often check the latest news here from work when I'm on nights, but do it without logging-in (my employer's IT department has some dodgy individuals working for them that I suspect deploy keyloggers on some network machines so I won't do anything from work that entails a personal log in)

VM's apparent change of stance is very encouraging. Tbh, I do not want to change my ISP and am more than happy to continue supporting VM's business through my subscriptions. VM must realise by now that Phorm could well be their undoing with so many normally mild-mannered customers absolutely against this technology. Please, please shape up Virgin; if you lose support, you may never regain it and that, in the long run, would make us all losers.

That's exactly how I feel.

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

To keep upto date on Phorm stories on Digg add the following url to your RSS reader:

http://digg.com/rss_search?search=Ph...th&section=all

Slashdot unfortunately don't offer an RSS for searches.

On another note I just had an hour long phone call with Claer Barrett who writes for the Investors Chronicle at Financial Times about Phorm and RIPA. It was a very constructive discussion and I extended gratitude on behalf of us all to the Financial Times for getting actively involved in the issue.

I will let you all know when the article is due to be published.

Alexander Hanff

you might use this google news search with the site: directive set for /.

perhaps you can use google rss in some way to feed your own Rss, i dont use rss so not really sure

http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8...nG=Search+News

you might be better to use this basic REBOL script as a base to parse slashdot and/or combine it with the above in some way ?....

------------cut
url: read http://slashdot.org/index.rss
parse/all url [
any [
<title> copy title to </title>
(print title)

|
<description> copy desc to </description>
(print desc)
|
skip
]
to end
]
-------------cut

taken from here
http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/mac/200...scripting.html

i cut and pasted it into the rebol view shell, and it parses the url and displays the text......

but it needs more work to make it look pritty, perhaps a GUI scrolly banner rebol script example exists, if you can be bothered to find it, and add its content if your a happy script writer Alexander...

btw http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpAyuVypuhUqUpcQx.html
01 May, 2008 - 1:40 PM
Alexander Hanff's Legal Analysis of the Phorm Trials
Cable Forum's Alexander Hanff has made public his dissertation on a legal analysis of BT's secret Phorm trials, which took place during 2006 and again in 2007. Hanff has carefully analysed the relevant EU and UK laws, statutes and directives to find that, "fundamental legal requirements were not met."

Hanff goes on to conclude that BT's covert trials were illegal under criminal law and unlawful under common law, pointing towards the need for relevant public authorities to, "officially investigate the matter in the interests of public justice.":

[Dave_C]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Welcome to the new joiners and thank you for coming from the shadows. Currently there are 37 members and 38 guests viewing this thread; discounting the spies there are still a few decent people out there who can provide the support needed now that we at least seem to be on the cusp of a change in ISP attitude. Please join up and join in.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (and women) do nothing". (Edmund Burke)

<delurks>
That's me!

Hi all, I have the dubious honour of being with BT and have posted to their forums.

May I add my thanks to the people who are doing so much to stop this nastiness. You know who you are!

Nothing that I can add to what has already been said on this and the BT threads, but if enough of us make our voices heard it must make a difference.

Dave

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by lucevans

Doh! I've just noticed that I'm not logged in (deleted cookies, etc. after the video site hijack scare a few days ago) so one of those lurkers was me! Also, I often check the latest news here from work when I'm on nights, but do it without logging-in (my employer's IT department has some dodgy individuals working for them that I suspect deploy keyloggers on some network machines so I won't do anything from work that entails a personal log in)

Understood .

Originally Posted by lucevans

That's exactly how I feel.

My worry is that VM could underestimate the backlash if the deployment goes ahead. Internet users are a savvy bunch (as this thread proves) and if VM try to railroad them, the vitriol spewed in The Apprentice will seem like a kiddies tea party .

Originally Posted by Dave_C

<delurks>
That's me!

Hi all, I have the dubious honour of being with BT and have posted to their forums.

May I add my thanks to the people who are doing so much to stop this nastiness. You know who you are!

Nothing that I can add to what has already been said on this and the BT threads, but if enough of us make our voices heard it must make a difference.

Dave

Welcome Dave!

[Florence]

Originally Posted by popper

you might use this google news search with the site: directive set for /.

perhaps you can use google rss in some way to feed your own Rss, i dont use rss so not really sure

http://news.google.com/news?oe=utf-8...nG=Search+News

you might be better to use this basic REBOL script as a base to parse slashdot and/or combine it with the above in some way ?....

------------cut
url: read http://slashdot.org/index.rss
parse/all url [
any [
<title> copy title to </title>
(print title)

|
<description> copy desc to </description>
(print desc)
|
skip
]
to end
]
-------------cut

taken from here
http://www.oreilly.com/pub/a/mac/200...scripting.html

i cut and pasted it into the rebol view shell, and it parses the url and displays the text......

but it needs more work to make it look pritty, perhaps a GUI scrolly banner rebol script example exists, if you can be bothered to find it, and add its content if your a happy script writer Alexander...

btw http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpAyuVypuhUqUpcQx.html
01 May, 2008 - 1:40 PM
Alexander Hanff's Legal Analysis of the Phorm Trials
Cable Forum's Alexander Hanff has made public his dissertation on a legal analysis of BT's secret Phorm trials, which took place during 2006 and again in 2007. Hanff has carefully analysed the relevant EU and UK laws, statutes and directives to find that, "fundamental legal requirements were not met."

Hanff goes on to conclude that BT's covert trials were illegal under criminal law and unlawful under common law, pointing towards the need for relevant public authorities to, "officially investigate the matter in the interests of public justice.":

Glad my message in the Mods on ISPr worked

We are still a long way from completing this but we are on the right track and getting there.

[GoldenBoar]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Welcome to the new joiners and thank you for coming from the shadows. Currently there are 37 members and 38 guests viewing this thread; discounting the spies there are still a few decent people out there who can provide the support needed now that we at least seem to be on the cusp of a change in ISP attitude. Please join up and join in.

VM's apparent change of stance is very encouraging. Tbh, I do not want to change my ISP and am more than happy to continue supporting VM's business through my subscriptions. VM must realise by now that Phorm could well be their undoing with so many normally mild-mannered customers absolutely against this technology. Please, please shape up Virgin; if you lose support, you may never regain it and that, in the long run, would make us all losers.

No PIA. No video. No PR Spin. They tried to make us go to webwise and we said no, no, NO!

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (and women) do nothing". (Edmund Burke)

I contacted VM telling them that if they went ahead with this I would be cancelling my VIP service and going elsewhere. I told them I would be recommending that family, friends and customers change ISP if this is launched, and that they will be getting no more recommendations from me until they have announced that they have abandoned this hair-brained scheme. I let them know that I've put a lot of custom their way, and can and will take those customers away from them.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by popper

btw http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EkpAyuVypuhUqUpcQx.html
01 May, 2008 - 1:40 PM
Alexander Hanff's Legal Analysis of the Phorm Trials
Cable Forum's Alexander Hanff has made public his dissertation on a legal analysis of BT's secret Phorm trials, which took place during 2006 and again in 2007. Hanff has carefully analysed the relevant EU and UK laws, statutes and directives to find that, "fundamental legal requirements were not met."

Hanff goes on to conclude that BT's covert trials were illegal under criminal law and unlawful under common law, pointing towards the need for relevant public authorities to, "officially investigate the matter in the interests of public justice.":

I dugg this too. I know it's nearly cheating as a duplicate but still, the more the merrier eh? Dig in boys and girls.

http://digg.com/tech_news/Alexander_...e_Phorm_Trials

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by GoldenBoar

I contacted VM telling them that if they went ahead with this I would be cancelling my VIP service and going elsewhere. I told them I would be recommending that family, friends and customers change ISP if this is launched, and that they will be getting no more recommendations from me until they have announced that they have abandoned this hair-brained scheme. I let them know that I've put a lot of custom their way, and can and will take those customers away from them.

Welcome GoldenBoar . Come on you lurkers, get behind the people who are sticking their necks out on our behalf. Whilst people like Alexander are self-motivated, you can't beat actually knowing that the support you have is growing. It may make all the difference.

http://digg.com/tech_news/Legal_Anal...7_Phorm_Trials

I digg'd it. My first ever digg.

Then...
http://digg.com/tech_news/Alexander_...e_Phorm_Trials

My second ever digg

A very happy digger

Hank

[blackbob]

Thank god finally caught up with the end of this thread
I have just read an article in this weeks MicroMart entitled Bad phorm
by Mark Pickervance and i'm pleased to say he likes them about as much as we do; he doesn't find a single redeeming feature in four pages of comment and ends with "I would leave any ISP who implemented this"
I was starting to wonder when someone would give them a good shoeing in the computer press