remember the pay tv ofcom investigation - turns out SKY missed the deadline

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Toto

What profits, they are still paying off debt acrued for purchasing existing networks. How could going further into debt make their business profitable, when many here say they are leaving for one reason or another.

Oh I realise all that.

I am not sure about now, but in the past, where Cable was available, it achieved a greater number of users than Sky. Today, VM have around 4 million customers, yet the DTV network covers (IIRC) around 48% of the population.

So, potentially, Virgin could nearly DOUBLE their customers with proper investment.

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Originally Posted by m419

Thats right,for example Telewest acquired Eurobell for £282 Million in November 2000 and then spent £50,000 on removing Eurobell Telephone boxes which was stupid as money could be made through kiosk-glass advertising.

Thanks to mobile phones, the payphone industry in this country has virtually collapsed. There are still a lot of Payphones around, but BT and other providers have massively cut back on them.

[m419]

Well Spectrum Interactive spent £2 Million in 2005 on acquiring 1,000 Interphone kiosks and replacing them with new ones

Kiosk advertising rakes in about £50 to £100 per month per kiosk and most payphones are heavily used by those using international calling cards via 0800 numbers. All payphone operators are entitled to 8.1p per minute commision when 0500,0800 and 0808 calls are connected and this collected by BT Wholesale and the owner of the freephone number has to pay for it. Apparently 18.3% of Spectrum Interactive's revenue is generated through freephone number calling.

Furthermore, the Virgin Media,Smallworld Media and Wight Cable networks pass approximately 9 Million homes altogether. Between 1994 and 1998 the cable penetration level was much higher, this was because Cable was simply cost effective and very cheap in comparison to using BT and Sky.

Now the shoe is on the other foot, BT and Sky are much more cost effective and because NTL provided a service which was unacceptable in terms of poor customer service and persistant outages and long waits for Digital upgrades, customers got cheesed off and left! Now these customers are going to be hard to retrieve!

Smallworld Media, a very small Cable company in the North are in the process of upgrading its Digital TV boxes for ALL customers not just new ones and will probably advertise the service better once this has happened. My feeling is that it will be swallowed up by Virgin Media.

I suppose another way NTL:Telewest could compete with Sky is to make deals with BT. What NTL should have done is that they should have used BT's brand instead,move all phone customers onto BT and get rid of there cable telephone service as its costing a lot of money to maintain.

That way BT/NTL would be able to provide in about 40% of the country:

Cable TV
Cable Broadband

BT Mobile over Vodafones network
National Telephone service to 97% of the country
ADSL Internet and BT Vision for outer cable areas.

However BT would only have a small percentage of this company and Ntl:Telewest would be leasing the brand for a cheaper price than what they pay for Virgin.


Then there would be no competition issues between Cable and BT and would compete successfully with Sky.

[mertle]

latest folks is SKY submitted details.

That ofcom will now look at each party arguments and publish its findings end of this summer.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/media/news/2008/05/nr_20080513

Also if you want to take time reading each party grievences from general public to some companies here is link to all the pdfs

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ytv/responses/

It certainly will be interesting what will happen.

Please refrain from turning this into a sky v virgin spat this was solely a debate on PAY TV as whole and what the implecations to the future of pay tv.

I noticed at times this thread got sidetracked and dont want it lost in war of words that my service is better than yours.

[mertle]

Well Folks the news is in On the PAY TV Seems Sky could be losing this battle with OFCOM reading this.

It seems OFCOM has some concerns on How PAY TV opperates are not happy on the monopoly and that content can be overcharged resulting consumers losing out. That it provents inovation plan is to propose

requiring Sky to wholesale designated premium channels on regulated terms. In this document we are consulting on the use of our sectoral competition powers under section 316 of the Communications Act to put such an obligation in place.

Even a suggestion they me need to go to the Competition Commission under the Enterprise Act.

Is this a serious threat to SKY to get there act in order to play fair or we will take the control away from you.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...paytv/summary/

Anybody got the stomach to read the Whole PDF this is the link below

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ytv/condoc.pdf

Sorry dragging old thread but this is important development in Pay TV revue.

[daveetwo]

Originally Posted by mertle

Well Folks the news is in On the PAY TV Seems Sky could be losing this battle with OFCOM reading this.

It seems OFCOM has some concerns on How PAY TV opperates are not happy on the monopoly and that content can be overcharged resulting consumers losing out. That it provents inovation plan is to propose

Even a suggestion they me need to go to the Competition Commission under the Enterprise Act.

Is this a serious threat to SKY to get there act in order to play fair or we will take the control away from you.

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...paytv/summary/

Anybody got the stomach to read the Whole PDF this is the link below

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/consult/cond...ytv/condoc.pdf

Sorry dragging old thread but this is important development in Pay TV revue.

Maybe it will make sky treat the current negotiations seriously and try to avoid too many problems with the court case and these investigations. It sounds like from various sources negotiations are working towards channels resolved in january. Thats when carriage runs out of three virgin channels so they can be resolved at the same time as sky channels and hd channels.

[looper35uk]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Speaking as one who had television from NTL I am still happy I made the move to sky.

I think a lot of people are still hung over from the losing of the sky 1 episode ( pardon the pun ) so a lot of comments could be seen as very much tongue in cheek.

Lets face it, what did vm replace sky 1 with?

Well personally I wouldn't want the Sky channels back. I would much prefer that VM invest that money in their VOD content.

[Itshim]

Originally Posted by looper35uk

Well personally I wouldn't want the Sky channels back. I would much prefer that VM invest that money in their VOD content.

I would second this