Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[bigsanta11]

Businesses urged to protect customer data


"The Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, has urged British businesses and the public sector to make data protection a key concern, after revealing that he received reports of 94 security breaches during 2007"

""The evidence shows that more must be done to eradicate inexcusable security breaches," Thomas explained."

[Florence]

Originally Posted by bigsanta11

Businesses urged to protect customer data


"The Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, has urged British businesses and the public sector to make data protection a key concern, after revealing that he received reports of 94 security breaches during 2007"

""The evidence shows that more must be done to eradicate inexcusable security breaches," Thomas explained."

Putting phorm on ISP networks with Kent holding the rains is the biggest security breach anyone would ever need nopthing would be safe...

[mark777]

Originally Posted by bigsanta11

Businesses urged to protect customer data


"The Information Commissioner, Richard Thomas, has urged British businesses and the public sector to make data protection a key concern, after revealing that he received reports of 94 security breaches during 2007"

""The evidence shows that more must be done to eradicate inexcusable security breaches," Thomas explained."

"Perhaps we need a new Commissioner, not a bean counter." the general public replied.

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Tues 20.06 : Cracker - Johnny Arrowmaker

http://www.iii.co.uk/investment/deta...lay=discussion

[manxminx]

Thank you for your continued hard work on our behalf Alexander. I realise that you are happy to pay for travel expenses etc out of your own pocket, but you are doing this for all of us as well as yourself. I'm glad you'll have a donate page on your new website. I couldn't afford any of the books, but I will definitely make a donation through your website.

As for Kent's attitude and behaviour towards you, well, his belligerence just beggars belief. I am truly disgusted. And amazed that he would act like this in front of the cameras.

Well done Alexander for not stooping to his level.

Ali ((huggsss))

[popper]

remember people, better to keep it simple, basic and on message when explaining to the less informed news reporters and their readers.

dont let them obfuscate or mislead, remind them at every opportunity to ram this basic fact home....

the fact (its not debate) theres UK/EU law , and they are knowingly braking it, as we have told them....
and given them the url documents to read.

perhaps people might want to go an educate the readers and writer here what "non-intrusive" means, as in to not intrude or brake current UK/EU law that states they cant place or read cookies on your machine or in your ram without your express consent.

"Phorm says its software is non-intrusive"

that the unlawful placement,storing and/or reading of this cookie is a byproduct of the unlawful wiretaping layer7 kit on the other end of the bb wire, and commercial piracy of the users and websites copyrighted datastream, plus potential personal identifying data content, again without consent or legal due process.

"Phorm says:"that it will delete all clickstream data that isn’t useful to its marketers, including clicks relating to health conditions or other sensitive matters.""

that this so called "The nonprofit think tank" does infact advise the UK Govt members at the highest levels.

and this comment

"the challenge that all behavioral marketers face is that consumers want more targeted, more relevant advertising and content..."

needs special consideration for giving them the facts, and educating them, as in UK/EU comsumers do not want advertising, period..., the UK is not the US were you cant tell were the next ad starts and the tv program begins or ends, we have fixed periods were we know we can hit he mute button, shame we cant get a auto mute for that though, should be easy as the volume always goes up



http://blogs.mediapost.com/online_minute/?p=1720

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/default.stm
When can I watch Click?

UK viewers:
Saturday
0645 BBC One / BBC News 24 (Short version)
1130 BBC News 24

Sunday
0430 BBC One / BBC News 24
0745 BBC News 24 (Short version)
1130 BBC News 24

Monday
0030 BBC News 24


International viewers: Click is also shown on the BBC's commercial and international channel, BBC World News. Please visit the BBC World News website for full scheduling details:

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BTW,is anyone going to write and submit any Cable Forum Front Page news reports leading up to this, and submit it to Mick?

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NebuAd and the almost forgotten "Experian, the Credit Reference Agency, to track net users" from April 6th.

plus the mobile wireless phorm like tracking by Orange are good fertile ground if you dont want to rehash the pure Phorm stories perhaps.

you choose, and take advantage of the Cable Forum News page and its ability to be picked up by the world wide News wire coverage within minutes of being posted.

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http://www.lightbluetouchpaper.org/2...phorm-cookies/

"
April 22nd, 2008 at 17:49 UTC by Richard Clayton
Last week I gave a talk at the 80/20 Thinking organised “town hall meeting” about the Phorm targeted advertising system. You can see my slides here, and eventually there will be some video here.

One of the issues I talked about was the possibility of stealing Phorm’s cookies, which I elaborate upon in this post.

I have written about Phorm’s system before, and you can read a detailed technical explanation, but for the present, what it is necessary to know is that through some sleight-of-hand, users whose ISPs deploy Phorm will end up with tracking cookies stored on their machine, one for every website they visit, but with each containing an identical copy of their unique Phorm tracking number."......

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK I am back and knackered just for a change.

The interview today was a bit of a farce really. Kent turned up late, then he basically spent the entire "debate" either insulting me directly with personal attacks or insulting the BBC staff by simply refusing to answer their questions.

He said (and I quote) "he [Richard Clayton] thinks Phorm is the best thing to ever happen with online advertising" (I kid you not).

I didn't manage to say much in the interview at all simply because Kent didn't want to stop his tongue flapping and interrupted me at every opportunity.

Oh and apparently "everyone wants Phorm" and I am just a "scaremonger".

I am not sure how the BBC will edit the full discussion, I can't see how they can edit to exclude his rude behaviour without completely removing anything he said and simply showing a picture of him with his foot in his mouth.

Anyway we will have to wait and see.

Alexander Hanff

Well done Alexander. I call that a result. What program was the interview for please?

[popper]

click! , hence my post about the times for next saturdays morning show above.

its the short version first so it may appear there or if not , then it should appear on the full show later in the day.

but i suspect it will be prime news, and so be in all the shows and edits.

i hope its not just more of the same "its a cookie thing"..... as seen in the last few days though, remember its a "Broken Laws thing" not mearly an obscure to the average users "cookie" thing.

we dont know what they intend covering alongside the Alexander report and so we cant really know how the director will edit it to suit the tech angle of the program.

did you hang around Alexander and walk and talk with the IT show floor attendee's?, any juicy Tech bits

[dav]

Kent is really showing his true colours now. I'd expect his tactics to get increasingly dirtier and desperate. Remember people, "let the fool confirm his status upon himself" and don't stoop to his level.

Well done Alexander. I know the BBC have to remain impartial in their reporting but his arrogance and lack of class should shine through irrespective of the editing. I only hope your comments get equal airtime compared to his bluster, spin and misdirection.

[Ravenheart]

Firstly thanks again to Alexander, as for Kent's behaviour I wouldn't expect any different, he came here expecting an easy ride and he hasn't had that, and you as one of these nasty people will be a target for his toys as he ejects them from his pram.

Abe books often have rare and out of print books, both new and secondhand might be worth a look http://www.abebooks.co.uk/

Hope this helps

[popper]

ohh dear ...... and exporting the personal data outside the UK at that.

people really should try and make the effort to send a registered post 'data protection act notice' removing the right to Export your data outside the UK to every single company you consumer contract with, at the very least.

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquir...-phone-company

"
Carphone Warehouse dumps personal data in street

Details found in Lisbon skip

By Nick Farrell: Tuesday, 22 April 2008, 7:50 AM
THE supplier of mobile phones to the Queen has been dumping punters' personal data in a very public recycling bin because it is too expensive to keep....."

...
"
According to sources within the company, the material used to be stored. However last Thursday it was decided to abandon this policy because it cost too much.

The Lisbon office, known as the "Departamento de Reconciliação" in Portuguese, is semi-independent and operates under a service level agreement with Carphone Warehouse UK and other offices across the EU.

Apparently managers consulted this agreement and decided that it made no mention of keeping unnecessary documents and decided to stick the lot in the rubbish bin."....

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by popper

---------- Post added at 07:07 ---------- Previous post was at 06:24 ----------
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...ne/default.stm
When can I watch Click?

UK viewers:
Saturday
0645 BBC One / BBC News 24 (Short version)
1130 BBC News 24

Sunday
0430 BBC One / BBC News 24
0745 BBC News 24 (Short version)
1130 BBC News 24

Monday
0030 BBC News 24


International viewers: Click is also shown on the BBC's commercial and international channel, BBC World News. Please visit the BBC World News website for full scheduling details:

Many thanks for that. I'll pop these details up over on BT Beta forums.

[popper]

cool, iv not read the BetaBT for a few days so keep us informed..

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by Ravenheart

Firstly thanks again to Alexander, as for Kent's behaviour I wouldn't expect any different, he came here expecting an easy ride and he hasn't had that, and you as one of these nasty people will be a target for his toys as he ejects them from his pram.

Abe books often have rare and out of print books, both new and secondhand might be worth a look http://www.abebooks.co.uk/

Hope this helps

It's been a while since I had any involvement in media work but I wouldn't have thought the rules have changed all that much. Kent's classless conduct (I'm sure I mentioned the lack of class I felt he showed at the public meeting?) shows just how much of a threat he sees coming from Alexander and, by association, people who are challenging him.

I'd be disappointed in the BBC (were I not the cynical beast that I am) for not at least chastising Kent privately and insisting Alexander gets a fair chance to speak. Would John Humphrys, Jeremy Paxman, Peter Allen, Eddie Mair or (God forbid) Nicky Campbell tolerate that?

However, Kent's behaviour shows what he thinks of people who prefer to think for themselves and challenge what they believe to be wrong.

I'll say it again for newcomers and PhormUKPRteam: Questions and challenges have been published in the public domain. If Phorm is the open, honest and transparent company it claims to be then it need only answer those questions and challenges openly, honestly and independently verifiably. Like publishing the full details of the legal opinion and the QC who provided it.

Kent's accusation of "self promotion" is offensive and quite frankly hypocritical given his own conduct in the media. The only thing Alexander is promoting is the law of the land which Kent and his company are breaking.

Alexander, are you not able to get a cheap flight to somewhere near Earl Northesk's residence and hire a car from the airport? Might be less draining than driving all the way? My knowledge of Scotland only extends to parts of Edinburgh though (including an excellent fish restaurant and several excellent hostelries *smile*)

Thanks to Alexander for doing the Click interview and for retaining his dignity and class.

I've picked up some excellent books via abebooks and happily recommend them.

Happy St George's Day to one and all.

[jelv]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programme...me/default.stm

You can watch the latest programme online using the video link near the top right of this page or any other page on the Click website. The programme will play in the BBC News Player. The internet edition of Click is always updated on Fridays.

[OF1975]

I would like to echo those who have thanked Alexander for the time and expense he went to in order to travel down to the bbc click interview. Kent has shown his true colours and shown that the leopard hasn't changed its spots. I am astonished by his distinct lack of class and poor manners. I am glad you maintained the moral high ground Alexander. I agree with those who say that Kent must be rattled.