All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.

[mcgeezer]

Originally Posted by Russ B

Attitudes like that never fail to amuse me.

Nobody is putting a gun to these peoples' heads. No-one is forcing them to steal. They are doing it of their own free will. From experience usually these type of people are the sort who think nothing of buying stolen gear or fake designer stuff.

Now if that's how people want to do business then that's up to them, I'm not slagging them off. But to suggest it's the broadcasters who are at fault makes as much sense as Arsene Wenger after the Gunners lose a game.

These People? What sort of person am I then Russ?

And yes - I AM suggesting it is partly the broadcasters fault for providing a sub-standard service for an inflated price... shall we have a look at Sky's profits for this year to April?

Russ, you should be more refrained with your comments about "these people"... I pay for my subscriptions and pay for everything else I use - so don't classify me as a person who thinks nothing of buying stolen goods. I work hard for my coin and I pay my way - do you?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

These People? What sort of person am I then Russ?

If you're admitting to being a person who steals services from VM then that's the sort of person you are.

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

And yes - I AM suggesting it is partly the broadcasters fault for providing a sub-standard service for an inflated price... shall we have a look at Sky's profits for this year to April?

You're welcome to your opinion.

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Russ, you should be more refrained with your comments about "these people"...

No, I'll say what I like. When making a post about individuals who obtain services which others aren't paying for then I will continue to say 'these people' seeing as i don't know them all by name.

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

I pay for my subscriptions and pay for everything else I use - so don't classify me as a person who thinks nothing of buying stolen goods. I work hard for my coin and I pay my way - do you?

Yes.

Have a read of my post again. I made it clear I wasn't slagging 'these people' off. Just that it's a bit rich to blame VM or Sky for their own individual actions.

[kirk1690]

to all you freeloaders living off honest peoples subs thats all well and good just dont complain to the police or anyone else next time something illegal happens to YOU as it will and its not a victimless crime as some of you seem to think because without subs there is no company so you are all parasites! and in my experience its not guys on the dole who all do this but people with jobs who could well afford to pay but there you go if you can live with yourself fair enough. Dont be stealing from any charity boxes now!!

[Toto]

Russ you kind of beat me too it.but just to add, price rises could be cyclical in that those who steal services are forcing prices up.

I would go as far to say those the majority of cable thefts are by people who won't pay, not can't pay. The worst sort of **** in my opinion.

[Saaf_laandon_mo]

Are people who pay for cable but download torrents, movies, music blah blah blah lowlife and **** too? What about those who copy music for friends.

Comeon that is a bit OTT, and for 95 percent of us a pretty hypocritical statement to make.

I could use the argument that I pay for expensive CDs because my cable subscription payment friends download music for nothing. Low life? I think not.

[frogstamper]

I would say that none of us are perfect, we all probably bend the rules at times, but the difference is when you go on a public forum and try to justify it. I would guess 95% of people on this forum pay their cable bills, and for most its around £40pm, so when someone comes on saying, "I'm not paying because VM charge too much, that's why I feel justified in stealing it", what do they honestly think the reaction will be from people who pay their bills each month will be?

[Nilrem]

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

you can clone sims so im guessing there are

There was also a method when PAYG was new* to use an EEPROM hooked up to the sim to reset it's credit by pressing a button (or combination of buttons) - a rather dodgy friend had one.
IIRC that pretty much got squashed when the phone companies started monitoring/applying the PAYG credit from their end rather than on the phone's sim.

I suspect these days it's much harder to steal the mobile phone service than it is to steal cable, because the mobile service requires full two way communications between the device and the provider to work at all, whilst cable TV can probably work with one way only communications if you're not using anything interactive/on demand.



*Going back to about 99/00 or possibly even earlier.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Perhaps if Sky and VM gave people fair value for money with their subscriptions then people whould'nt feel the need to steal cable. I subscribe to the medium package which costs £11.50 a month for that - it's a small step up from Freeview... it's shocking value for money. But when you have Sky charging over £40 for a montly subscription to watch crap movies, you'd be best placed to go and join your local Blockbuster store.

Thats the approach I take with my cable package. What is known as the family pack over here. No Starz, HBO, Cinemax, TMC or Showtime, just a subscription to NetFlix to get DVDs by mail.

[GraphiX2004]

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

[Jelly]

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

As has been said before many times, cloners and cable thieves can be attributed to increased load on VM's network which they cannot support. This can slow the network down, as well as increasing the price that legitimate users have to pay.

[SMHarman]

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Well this will be for a court room to decide as the matter is currently subjudice. Did VM take S1 from you or did Sky over price the product making carriage commercially unviable?

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

No: When VM change their rules, you are perfectly entitled to cancel your subscription by giving 30 days notice. Check the terms and conditions of service, or, indeed, contracts law..

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..

The fact that a company raises it's prices or has problems with it's services is no justification for theft. Would you go into a shop, pick up an item where the price has gone up in the last week, go to the shop assistant and pay what you would have paid last week? Probably not. If you did, you'd be committing theft and would risk police action.

Why is stealing from a service (such as Virgin or BT) any different?

Generally, you have a legal course of action you can take if you have a grievance with a service or company. You can either stay with it, and hope the company is willing/able to fix the problem, or you can find another provider. That's the beauty of capitalism, choice.

Cloning modems, however you dress it up, is part of the problem, not the solution.

[the-cable-guy]

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.

yes ppl should.

---------- Post added at 07:41 ---------- Previous post was at 07:40 ----------

Originally Posted by Stuart C

No: When VM change their rules, you are perfectly entitled to cancel your subscription by giving 30 days notice. Check the terms and conditions of service, or, indeed, contracts law..




Actually, I suspect you'll find it's Sky who took Sky 1..

The fact that a company raises it's prices or has problems with it's services is no justification for theft. Would you go into a shop, pick up an item where the price has gone up in the last week, go to the shop assistant and pay what you would have paid last week? Probably not. If you did, you'd be committing theft and would risk police action.

Why is stealing from a service (such as Virgin or BT) any different?

Generally, you have a legal course of action you can take if you have a grievance with a service or company. You can either stay with it, and hope the company is willing/able to fix the problem, or you can find another provider. That's the beauty of capitalism, choice.

Cloning modems, however you dress it up, is part of the problem, not the solution.

aye

---------- Post added at 07:42 ---------- Previous post was at 07:41 ----------

Originally Posted by GraphiX2004

so when VM basically steals from us giving us restrictions and changing their rules
thats totally fine to be screwed over by the actual company

but when a user decides to do the same back they are low lifes?
and they should be burned in hell... how about having the same feeling towards
companys who go out their way to restrict your service to a stop and still
continue to steal full payments for a service they are advertising which clearly
we are all not getting,

i have the full XL package but i credit the cloners and the people whos
stealing service from VM because VM is stealing our money

They took sky 1 of us all and we are now paying a higher price! work that out

two wrongs dont make a right mate.

---------- Post added at 07:45 ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 ----------

Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo

Are people who pay for cable but download torrents, movies, music blah blah blah lowlife and **** too? What about those who copy music for friends.

Comeon that is a bit OTT, and for 95 percent of us a pretty hypocritical statement to make.

I could use the argument that I pay for expensive CDs because my cable subscription payment friends download music for nothing. Low life? I think not.

agreed.

---------- Post added at 07:47 ---------- Previous post was at 07:45 ----------

Originally Posted by Toto

Russ you kind of beat me too it.but just to add, price rises could be cyclical in that those who steal services are forcing prices up.

I would go as far to say those the majority of cable thefts are by people who won't pay, not can't pay. The worst sort of **** in my opinion.

most ppl who steal cable do it cuz they can & we the paying customers get a poor service cuz of it. im on the dole & if i can pay for my services then anyone can, making excuses is just a cop out to make yourselfs look good.

---------- Post added at 07:52 ---------- Previous post was at 07:47 ----------

Originally Posted by CableBloke

Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money.

oh brother.

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by mcgeezer

Perhaps if Sky and VM gave people fair value for money with their subscriptions then people whould'nt feel the need to steal cable. I subscribe to the medium package which costs £11.50 a month for that - it's a small step up from Freeview... it's shocking value for money. But when you have Sky charging over £40 for a montly subscription to watch crap movies, you'd be best placed to go and join your local Blockbuster store. But what really hurts is is the extortionate prices they charge for viewing football matches, I mean over £10 just to watch a pay per view game ontop of your subscription you already pay!!!

If the ppv games were like £2.50 they'd probably get my business.

Sky and Virgin are the people who are pushing up prices, the people who steel cable are simply a byproduct of their (Sky and VM's) greed.

Apologies if I cause offence, but that view is niaive in the extreme. People nick stuff because they can, not because of some moral stance on how they are being overcharged.

Want evidence? Remember the album Radiohead "gave away"? Well, they didn't give it away as such, but allowed people to pay what they wanted for the download. People still distributed pirate copies.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Perhaps if they took back their discontinued boxes and had a clamp down inside the organisation this topic would not come up.

True.

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004

Why do people buy cheap cigs and beer?
Because it is cheaper
Should they now be called low lifes?
Think about it, that money in tax evasion could be spent to treat sick people in our hospitals.
VM should get their act together instead of moaning about it.
People who call people low lifes should look at themselves very hard.

Important difference: It is legal to buy cheap fags. It is not legal to steal.

---------- Post added at 09:25 ---------- Previous post was at 09:18 ----------

Originally Posted by CableBloke

Forget VideoGuard, It's an NDS company and we don't want to give them any more money

Surely the point of buying an encryption system is that it can't be easily broken? If VideoGuard is the best encryption system, it's in VM's interest to go for it regardless of who owns it..