Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[rogerdraig]

Originally Posted by roadrunner69

try blocking a different site on its own eg. google or bbc instead of phorm and see if you get the same result

i have phorm blocked at my router and can still surf

[tee cee]

Hello All
I'm a long time viewer of the forum and new poster. I've been busy involving myself in making known the iniquites of webwise/phorm among neighbours friends etc.

I have only a limited tech knowledge and less than a little knowledge of current legal issues

I do have a limited knowledge of Child Care legislation and have a question arising from this ... some official bodies ie social services dept and the police are invested with "powers to investigate" powers being discretionary . Those bodies invested with powers are also designated with "duties to investigate" in certain circumstance, Duties being an imperative
Have any "duties to investigate" breaches of RIPA etc been identified as duties placed on relevant authorities within any relevant legislation ?

tee cee

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by tee cee

Hello All
I'm a long time viewer of the forum and new poster. I've been busy involving myself in making known the iniquites of webwise/phorm among neighbours friends etc.

I have only a limited tech knowledge and less than a little knowledge of current legal issues

I do have a limited knowledge of Child Care legislation and have a question arising from this ... some official bodies ie social services dept and the police are invested with "powers to investigate" powers being discretionary . Those bodies invested with powers are also designated with "duties to investigate" in certain circumstance, Duties being an imperative
Have any "duties to investigate" breaches of RIPA etc been identified as duties placed on relevant authorities within any relevant legislation ?

tee cee

It might be advisable to look at the very serious issue of informed consent for minors. Although not directly related to this issue, you could read up on Gillick's Competence, it was enacted by the House of Lords so it is of the highest precedent in the land as far as I am aware.

In context, the issue of informed consent with regards to Phorm becomes extremely complex when you look at shared logins, schools and other public sector internet access (libraries etc.) when we start to look at the implications of informed consent for minors.

Alexander Hanff

[OF1975]

Alexander with regard to the wider issue of informed consent regarding libraries with internet access, what do you think about drafting a letter to the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals?

http://www.cilip.org.uk/aboutcilip

Worth me trying you think?

[Gixer]

Hello,
I'm another long time lurker first time poster, and would like to thank everybody for their efforts in trying to bring this issue to the public's attention, especially Alexander.

A copy of The Evolution of EU Law is on it's way to you sir. It looks like your postman will be needing a truss

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by OF1975

Alexander with regard to the wider issue of informed consent regarding libraries with internet access, what do you think about drafting a letter to the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals?

http://www.cilip.org.uk/aboutcilip

Worth me trying you think?

Definitely, at the very least it will help make more people aware of the issue and it might actually initiate serious debate of policy within the public sector organisations offering online access.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 18:55 ---------- Previous post was at 18:54 ----------

My sincere thanks Gixer and yes my postman is going to be looking for an early Christmas bonus I expect lol. many of the books are 600+ pages so they are going to be rather heavy. I am already considering a new bookcase suitably engineered to withstand the weight.

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by Gixer

Hello,
I'm another long time lurker first time poster, and would like to thank everybody for their efforts in trying to bring this issue to the public's attention, especially Alexander.

A copy of The Evolution of EU Law is on it's way to you sir. It looks like your postman will be needing a truss

My poor keyboard... This time it wasn't a cheese and ham toastie sprayed all over it but some teriyaki peanuts. Thankfully there's a supply of spare keyboards here in the hangar

Welcome Gixer.

[unicus]

I've now had chance to watch all the vids from the PIA meeting, thanks to CaptJamieHunter for recording and uploading them.

Firstly Dr Richard Clayton and Alexander Hanff were excellent, really got their messages across and were most obviously on the side of truth and honesty.

Now further to my earlier post about Kent speech, I really thought he could not be that bad – but he was. Here's a few notes I wrote while listening to his speech.

• says UID is a truly random number - computers can't generate truly random numbers
• says the UID is “1 of a 16byte series of numbersâ€ÂÂ� - slip of the tongue or more info?
• points out a plus of their system is that it deletes in real time – spin that means it's a cheap system that has limited storage
• he mostly refers to the browser not the person – Freudian Slip?
• seems to think there is endless revenue from adds
• he invites anyone to check the system - I want to, where do I apply
• says being an ISP 'is hardly worth doing' - so why are there so many?
• completely dismissive of opting-in/out
• says the info of random numbers, categories & time stamps is of no use – believe me it is and it's available to websites!!!
• says can't delete searches but ask.com do just that with AskEraser
• misunderstands FIPR with regards to RIPA
• despite saying that google has privacy problems and is getting all the money he directs everyone to go use it - doh!
• says they spoke to lots of people but a) didn't say what their response was & b) at least in some circumstances Phorm didn't tell the whole truth to those people so how can they make an informed response only an inPhormed one

He came across as though he doesn't properly understand the system he's talking about and doesn't understand the way the Internet works or that there are intelligent people who do. I could go on but I don't have the time, suffice to say I could not trust Kent before I saw that speech and even less so now.

[Gixer]

Sorry about that - a sticky, crunchy keyboard must be very unpleasant.
It's normally coffee I cover mine with...

[AlexanderHanff]

I am currently working on something in the background to try and get the "people's" message across in the media arena. I can't go into more details because I am awaiting a response from a 3rd party before I can confirm, but if that response is positive, I can assure you it will be (I think) be a significant step.

Alexander Hanff

[mark777]

An interesting thread on Badphorm. Looks like they have started profiling already!

http://www.badphorm.co.uk/e107_plugi...topic.php?4097

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by Gixer

Sorry about that - a sticky, crunchy keyboard must be very unpleasant.
It's normally coffee I cover mine with...

IBM keyboards are built to last (Good job too!) It gets cleaned tonight. I'm using a spare for now. My own fault for eating at the desk...

[Rchivist]

I have had en email with a series of questions about Phorm/Webwise answered (sort of) by a BT manager. My post with the questions (edited for brevity) and the answers is over on BT Beta forums and can be seen without registering.
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...ID=18175#18175
or http://tinyurl.com/4pyqhn

It took quite a bit of effort to get the answers with as much pressure as a mere customer is able to exert, but eventually the system did respond.

I'm not posting them here because it's not really appropriate to quote a BT manager answering questions about the BT Webwise system here on a VM forum, - but I'm sure people here will find the answers interesting. I'd be grateful for any comments you want to make either here or there.

I'll delay making my own comments until I have had some feedback.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by R Jones

I have had en email with a series of questions about Phorm/Webwise answered (sort of) by a BT manager. My post with the questions (edited for brevity) and the answers is over on BT Beta forums and can be seen without registering.
http://www.beta.bt.com/bta/forums/th...ID=18175#18175
or http://tinyurl.com/4pyqhn

It took quite a bit of effort to get the answers with as much pressure as a mere customer is able to exert, but eventually the system did respond.

I'm not posting them here because it's not really appropriate to quote a BT manager answering questions about the BT Webwise system here on a VM forum, - but I'm sure people here will find the answers interesting. I'd be grateful for any comments you want to make either here or there.

I'll delay making my own comments until I have had some feedback.

Wow, there is so much to say from that. I will be writing a response here this evening, but I have to go an pick up my son first and then have my dinner. I just wanted to thank you for the link in advance of my reply.

Alexnder Hanff

[Rchivist]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

Wow, there is so much to say from that. I will be writing a response here this evening, but I have to go an pick up my son first and then have my dinner. I just wanted to thank you for the link in advance of my reply.

Alexnder Hanff

feel free to PM if you want further contact.