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[TehTech]

Originally Posted by Winston Smith

Just one thought - this is presumably aimed at the non-technical?

I don't know about anyone else but if I showed this to my parents they probably wouldn't get beyond the first page.

Anyway of breaking it up with images/video stills/diagrams etc - because other than that it makes all the required points. IMO there is possibly too much text.

Points taken!

When I was first ever taught presentations, the lecturer used to just do a paragraph on 1 slide, but I do take your points!

This is a work in progress and I will do more with it soon!

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Rockwell

maybe this could be adopted as our theme tune - I hear the eighties are v. cool right now (can't understand it myself, having been there the first time around...)

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I've just watched the video on that link - the worst lipsync I've EVER seen! Hilarious!! (not to mention the "dancing")

[BeckyD]

Just found a somewhat pro-phorm article here:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...3-24584218.htm

Quite a bit of misinformation and selective quoting I'm afraid.

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by lucevans

maybe this could be adopted as our theme tune - )

No, please, don't.
Not the eighties, I remember the music and the appalling fashion all too well, suit jackets with the sleeves rolled up, Mel & Kim and all the rest.
If we have to choose an anthem let's make it something for Kent 'Master of Puppets'?

[bishbosh]

Originally Posted by Winston Smith

No, please, don't.
Not the eighties, I remember the music and the appalling fashion all too well, suit jackets with the sleeves rolled up, Mel & Kim and all the rest.
If we have to choose an anthem let's make it something for Kent 'Master of Puppets'?

If it wasn't so serious the theme from the muppet show spings to mind!

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by LadyMinion

Just found a somewhat pro-phorm article here:

http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/...3-24584218.htm

Quite a bit of misinformation and selective quoting I'm afraid.

From that article:

"The opposition probably won't stop Phorm. British officials have affirmed its legality."

Have they? My reading is that the official government channels have skipped merrily around the issue, avoiding the question while independant bodies such as FIPR have said 'No. it's illegal'.

One nice paragraph though:

"Yet there's a bit more going on. In a now-abandoned incarnation, Phorm was 121 Media Inc., a provider of ad technology commonly derided as spyware. Also, British Telecom's initial trials with Phorm weren't disclosed to customers.
"

[CaptJamieHunter]

Originally Posted by bishbosh

If it wasn't so serious the theme from the muppet show spings to mind!

The Muppets rock. Phorm doesn't. Muppets win by miles.

[lucevans]

Originally Posted by CaptJamieHunter

The Muppets rock. Phorm doesn't. Muppets win by miles.

Didn't the news reader in the muppet show have a name similar to "Kent Ertugrul"?

[Kursk]

Guys, we need to get back on the clock. There's an air of triumphalism around here whilst in truth, we are still a minority (even though impressively vocal!) with a majority of people still unaware of Phorm. Believe me, all that has been achieved so far could be defeated by the indifference of a majority who don't have a full enough understanding of the ramifications or who just see it as a 'geek' thing that doesn't concern them.

Forums around the web reveal a mixed reception to Phorm technology. Many haven't heard of Phorm and (too) many don't seem too bothered. People can be very very lazy. Phorm and its hired help will be aware of this back door.

The focus has to move away from Phorm itself. We are expending bucket loads of energy on the tail when the head should be our target. We need ISP involvement and Government involvement. The Government are our paid representatives; they serve us and we want their service and we want it now.

[Cobbydaler]

Originally Posted by Winston Smith

No, please, don't.
Not the eighties, I remember the music and the appalling fashion all too well, suit jackets with the sleeves rolled up, Mel & Kim and all the rest.
If we have to choose an anthem let's make it something for Kent 'Master of Puppets'?

How about the immortal Joe Strummer:

Sniffin' traffic in motion
I fought the law & the law won (twice)
Using packet inspection
I fought the law & the law won (twice)

My share price's crashing & I feel so bad
I guess my race is run
The great British public can't be had
I fought the law & the law won (twice)


Anyone contribute the next two stanzas?

Hopefully the law will win...

[Winston Smith]

Originally Posted by Kursk

Guys, we need to get back on the clock. There's an air of triumphalism around here whilst in truth, we are still a minority (even though impressively vocal!) with a majority of people still unaware of Phorm. Believe me, all that has been achieved so far could be defeated by the indifference of a majority who don't have a full enough understanding of the ramifications or who just see it as a 'geek' thing that doesn't concern them.

Forums around the web reveal a mixed reception to Phorm technology. Many haven't heard of Phorm and (too) many don't seem too bothered. People can be very very lazy. Phorm and its hired help will be aware of this back door.

The focus has to move away from Phorm itself. We are expending bucket loads of energy on the tail when the head should be our target. We need ISP involvement and Government involvement. The Government are our paid representatives; they serve us and we want their service and we want it now.

The problem is, that the government and its repesentatives seem determined to ignore us. Looking back over the two hundred odd pages the best responses have come from opposition MPs/MEPs and Lords. Government departments seem to be falling over themselves to abjure responsibility for this. Whether they have ulterior motives or not, they are ignoring us. At the moment our best bet is the opposition and the public.

Originally Posted by Kursk

Guys, we need to get back on the clock. There's an air of triumphalism around here whilst in truth, we are still a minority (even though impressively vocal!)

Minority yes - but a minority who seem to be able to poison every Phorm based article on the net from what I've seen! Governments note what the media has to say...

[Florence]

I think we have done well so far and as for Kent well just shows what type of person he is when he will totally ignore somoene like Alexander..

on a second thougth IO noticed one book was over £100 would Cable forum mods set up a small payment fund so those with less money can still donate and the final would be the dearest book on Alexanders list? It would only take about 12 people to pay for the book as a token of appreciation for his hard work and a helping hand into him getting through to the end with a little less financial burden on himself.

[Winston Smith]

Does anyone have a recording (or link to) of the general Q&A session that took place after the main speakers? I was there but I want to check a few of the notes I made with with was actually said.

Also are there any plans to publish the presentations of Kent & Dr Clayton in slide by slide form?

Also for the sake of completeness, does anyone have Marc Burgess' presentation/speech?

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Paul Delaney

Minority yes - but a minority who seem to be able to poison every Phorm based article on the net from what I've seen! Governments note what the media has to say...

Fair comment. Look, 80/20T will be back soon with a new strategy. A carefully worded PIA will probably validate the technology with a few insignificant qualifiers for realism (when you pay for something, you get what you want). There's a case for us playing less defensively whilst they are hitting problems. Reacting to their developments all the time keeps us on the back foot; I still think hammering it home at high level is our next best move.