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[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by popper

given the information on this thread and the reg etc we can do far better than that id hope, the AOL and TLBTPA are old news now and given the latest florence and other responses here.

Agreed but I think the pointing out of the AOL scandal makes sense because the 'anonymous' data being 'unanonymized?' was a documented fact that has happened and will happen again but on a much larger scale.

[ceedee]

Originally Posted by popper

perhaps a bullet points text should be made, and added to as new information appears, if anyone is up for that task given the 255 pages of posts so far , its a big ask, but a werthy project to keep it all straight if its taken on...

Without wishing to seem churlish, I made that exact request back on page 7 and was firmly slapped down.

Originally Posted by ceedee

It's obviously totally your choice but I'd recommend again:

One discussion thread, that'll quite likely extend to 20+ pages within a week and more once the new system goes live, and
A second announcement thread -- sticky and closed so only Mods can post perhaps -- purely for a summary of what's been uncovered so far. Probably only half a dozen posts.

If you came to the forum for the first time looking for vital information, which would you find easier?

ymmv

[popper]

Originally Posted by roadrunner69

Agreed but I think the pointing out of the AOL scandal makes sense because the 'anonymous' data being 'unanonymized?' was a documented fact that has happened and will happen again but on a much larger scale.

indeed , it was not my intent to exclude it, but rather expand it to include everything so far and a easy to follow list.

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Originally Posted by ceedee

Without wishing to seem churlish, I made that exact request back on page 7 and was firmly slapped down.

again , fine, good call, who slapped it down and why, it seems only logical..... so did you start it off and have something as a base.....

im busy with other related stuff but try my best to keep it in mind, no lists but its getting to long even for me to remember all key points ( im getting old and forget easyer these days ...)

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it never ends..... doh.

i am trying to find the link for the credit reference agencys reported to be looking into using the phorm like DPI Kit, i didnt find it but yet another bank personal data release came up in the travels

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/mai.../cmfraud14.xml
"
Beware banks making fraudian slips
Last Updated: 4:02pm BST 15/04/2008
Page 1 of 2

The admission by HSBC that it lost details of 37,000 clients highlights - yet again - the dangers of ID theft, writes Nic Cicutti "

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by popper

i am trying to find the link for the credit reference agencys reported to be looking into using the phorm like DPI Kit, i didnt find it but yet another bank personal data release came up in the travels

Found this earlier

http://www.confidentialresource.com/

which leads to

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/to...cle3688387.ece

it mentions Experian using a phorm like system

[popper]

thanks....thats the one.

on the phorm matter, is it just me or does it seem PRphorm are busy doing the old US election tricks of supplying re-written news stories and supplying them to the news outlets.....for free, latest phorm news by "insert your auther here"

yet another pro- phorm bit of news copy here
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...e-money_1.html

[Ravenheart]

I wonder what the possibility is of an ISP signing up to more than one of these spyware systems. Imagine how awful your browsing would be no matter what speed connection you were on.

[roadrunner69]

Originally Posted by popper

thanks....thats the one.

on the phorm matter, is it just me or does it seem PRphorm are busy doing the old US election tricks of supplying re-written news stories and supplying them to the news outlets.....for free, latest phorm news by "insert your auther here"

yet another pro- phorm bit of news copy here
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...e-money_1.html

It seems like i've read exacty this same 'news' article virtually word for word on numerous sites over the past few weeks.

Lazy journalism at its worst

[AlexanderHanff]

OK some more details on next week. It is going to be a kind of David and Goliath scenario, just myself and Kent will be present, so I am going to pick out the pebbles which will give the most accurate flight from my sling.

The show will be recorded at Olympiad Exhibition Centre during ITSec next Tuesday.

This of course means, I will be at ITSec before and after the interview so if any-one is at the conference and wants to meet up for a coffee and a chat at some point give me a shout via PM on these boards.

Alexander Hanff

[popper]

perhaps someone might write a joke script thats tracks these pre-phormed news copy and inserts a Bob/Eliza non con-phormed response, bound to be faster than the PhormPR can respond if they want to play that game...

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by popper

thanks....thats the one.

on the phorm matter, is it just me or does it seem PRphorm are busy doing the old US election tricks of supplying re-written news stories and supplying them to the news outlets.....for free, latest phorm news by "insert your auther here"

yet another pro- phorm bit of news copy here
http://www.infoworld.com/article/08/...e-money_1.html

Added a comment in response but accidentally double posted when safari gave me a bizarre error and I thought first attempt hadn't succeeded.

[popper]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK some more details on next week. It is going to be a kind of David and Goliath scenario, just myself and Kent will be present, so I am going to pick out the pebbles which will give the most accurate flight from my sling.

The show will be recorded at Olympiad Exhibition Centre during ITSec next Tuesday.

This of course means, I will be at ITSec before and after the interview so if any-one is at the conference and wants to meet up for a coffee and a chat at some point give me a shout via PM on these boards.

Alexander Hanff

ohh ITSEc, cool, you will be with some very influential guys there Alexander, needs careful wording and lots of hard hiting sound bites mixed in with the latest and greatest product or innovation at the show to get full coverage.

we are reasonably sure of kents lines, but the PR might have him switch and its good to keep an eye open and watch for these signs.....

being in IT for so long Alexander your in your element i take it?

[AlexanderHanff]

Well Phorm certainly seem to be on the back foot at the moment. They hired a Privacy executive yesterday and on Tuesday at the meeting, they never once mentioned the Anti-phishing service with regards to benefit to the consumers; instead they changed their focus to monetising blogs (trying to get the blog community onside) and lower ISP prices for customers (which is nothing more than speculation there has been no indication of this in any of the press and media coverage or any official statements from the parties involved.)

A quick point on that ISP price drop as well. Considering BT have what something like 1.3M broadband customers? Bt are expected to make something along the lines of 84M over a 4-5 year period from the Phorm deal which lets be generous and say is 20M per year in extra revenue. So there is potential for prices to drop although I can't see it being significant as the entire system is supposed to offset the low margins for broadband provision, so BT would be reluctant I expect to give any of that money back to the consumers, a couple of pounds at best I suspect. Personally my Privacy is worth a great deal more to me that 20-30 GBP per year, in fact I am pretty sure that BT could never offer me a price high enough for my privacy.

I expect we will see more of the same next week.

Alexander Hanff

[OF1975]

One thing that has me stumped so far is from the register story where it says:

"BT customers who have attempted to report the secret listening and profiling experiments to the police have been told to approach the Home Office. One was subsequently told over email by an official: "It is important to remember that private companies such as ISPs are allowed to do certain things under section 3 of [the Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act] that Law Enforcement Agencies cannot do without permission."

Now, with the caveat that law isn't my strong point, I fail to see anything in section 3 of RIPA that would get the ISPs of the hook on this one. Am I missing something or are the Home Office just using any old excuse to try avoid doing their duty on this issue?

[JackSon]

Originally Posted by AlexanderHanff

OK some more details on next week. It is going to be a kind of David and Goliath scenario, just myself and Kent will be present, so I am going to pick out the pebbles which will give the most accurate flight from my sling.

I think an important thing is to establish, right at the beginning that what both concerns the laws (that you have already explored in great depth) and the customers, is what happens to traffic/data prior to anonymisation. That will hopefully render any further speeches from Kent along the "we don't collect or store personal data" themes null and void; as of course, when the time comes for anonymising the data arrives, it is already too late for non consented data to be harvested. It really needs to be hammered home that his argument is in fact completely academic, irrelevant, useless etc. and he ought to move on.

[AlexanderHanff]

Just the Home Office being utterly incompetent. They have obviously been ill-inphormed by their phormsultants.

Alexander Hanff