Virgin Media Phorm Webwise Adverts [Updated: See Post No. 1, 77, 102 & 797]

[Ravenheart]

In my ongoing quest to get the Phorm tactics known to as many organisations as possible. I've found out why Liberty (who I emailed a few weeks ago) may not have to replied to me (and anyone else who may have contacted them)

This is from their website

How long will I wait for a reply?
Lastly, please note that the queries we receive are dealt with by our two Advice and Information Officers. Due to the very large volume of queries that we receive, detailed responses can take eight to ten weeks.

I'm now waiting on replies from the British Bankers Association and my own bank, regarding Phorm and it's potential impact on the new banking code.

[bigboab5]

Hi guys,

here is the link for the channel 4 news article. I have a feeling I will be asked to remove it at some point as it is copyright of channel 4. Any ideas where else I can post it?

Channel 4 Phorm Article


Bob

[mark777]

Originally Posted by Dephormation

Please Alexander, set up an Amazon Wish List. Put all the books you need on it, and publish the address. Its a ten minute job.

The books will be yours in an hour, I'm absolutely certain of it.

Pete

Amazon Wish Lists

Alexander, firstly, thank you for all your hard work on this.

I agree with Dephormation Pete. You are going to have to shell out on expenses etc, going back and forwards to London.

Please let us help out.

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by mark777

Alexander, firstly, thank you for all your hard work on this.

I agree with Dephormation Pete. You are going to have to shell out on expenses etc, going back and forwards to London.

Please let us help out.

I agree. Money is far too tight this month but should be better next month and I would love to make a contribution as a thank you for your time spent on the issue.

[AlexanderHanff]

Originally Posted by mark777

Alexander, firstly, thank you for all your hard work on this.

I agree with Dephormation Pete. You are going to have to shell out on expenses etc, going back and forwards to London.

Please let us help out.

I will sort out a wishlist either later or tomorrow, I am very tired at the moment and intend to spend the evening relaxing with my family.

Thanks again for everyone's kind words. I have much more time to prepare for the "Click" program so hopefully it will be a very positive experience. I note news of this is making more headway in the US now, I hope I don't have to fly out there to give an interview lol I definitely could not afford that.

Alexander Hanff

---------- Post added at 19:14 ---------- Previous post was at 19:04 ----------

Just a quick note on what people have been saying regarding some communication from the EU.

Yes I am aware and the directives they discuss are what we have in the UK under Privacy and Electronic Communications (EC Directive) Regulations 2003. RIPA is also relevant with regards to interception even though RIPA was passed before the EU directive.

Could the person who got the reply from the EU please forward it to me at core.ldf using the gmail service (hopefully that email address was sufficiently obfuscated to be missed by data mining bots). I would very much like to use the reply in my dissertation's conclusion.

Alexander Hanff

[tdadyslexia]

Originally Posted by The Jackal

There are 1000 votes here, if everyone were to pledge £500 we could make a go of this.

Not every one haz £500, to pledge to this.

[fidbod]

Originally Posted by bigboab5

Hi guys,

here is the link for the channel 4 news article. I have a feeling I will be asked to remove it at some point as it is copyright of channel 4. Any ideas where else I can post it?

Channel 4 Phorm Article


Bob

Look mum I am on TV!!!

And scowling when on shot as well. Thanks for uploading BigBoab.

[Pasanonic]

I appreciate That Alex is upset that some people have seemed disrespectful to Mr Davies and I hope I was not one of them as that was not my intention. but his ( SD) statements last night dismissing any talk of legality for the DPI system smacked to me of a whitewash and they should have arranged for legal counsel to be there as the legalities are the whole issue here.
However I thought,'benefit of the doubt'.
That was until I saw Mr Davies on the Channel 4 item today. It is clear from his comments given to 4 that he is clearly not an independent person working to produce just a PIA but was quite clear in his words that he is a supporter of the phorm system and is working to see that it is implemented for commercial gain. He did not appear in my view to be anything like the independent he keeps claiming to be.

So regardless of his work in the past with respect to 80/20 Thinking I personally shall be accepting that any further statements from them are to be treated as positive spin from a company with a vested interest in moving this technology into the mainstream.

Craig.

[bigboab5]

Originally Posted by fidbod

Look mum I am on TV!!!

And scowling when on shot as well. Thanks for uploading BigBoab.

Hi Fibod,

Where are ye then?

[kt88man]

@OF1975 re: your 19:25 post on iii

I'm not registered to post on iii so I'll make the comment here.

Regarding Phorm in the US...

I'm not so sure it will be such an easy ride. In an earlier incarnation Kent's activities are quite well known by some of the techs...

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178282,00.html
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Sp...-Distribution/
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Spyware/index.php?p=820

Also, whilst the states may be more laid back about the privacy issue, legal eagles are far more prone to swoop if they think there's a buck or two to be had...

As an aside... I note that 'brettypoos' has calmed down a little now... wonder if that's the same poster as on http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=PHRM

[popper]

http://www.channel4.com/news/article...+phorm/2023952

http://www.ibls.com/internet_law_new...stnews&id=2037
INTERNET LAW - Phorm Warned by British Government Over Ad System, Must Use Opt-In

...
The Government admitted the Information Commissioner was "approached by a number of individuals and organisations for a view on Phorm's Webwise and Open Internet Exchange (OIX) products." In constructing their ad scheme, the company ran afoul not only of UK legislation but also European data protection laws that also insist that such invasive programs must use an enrollment plan. The ruling could cause huge problems for Phorm's business model because this is exactly the type of negative publicity any company dreads before releasing a new product. Phorm had already announced their annual losses had doubled in an April press release.

...
The real issue is privacy. The ICO said that Phorm must be quite careful to receive support from the Government, stating: "Phorm and the ISP will also have to comply with the PECR even where they do not process personal data. Under Regulation 6 of PECR a user must be informed when a cookie placed on their computer, given clear and comprehensive information about the purpose of the storage and given the ability to refuse it being placed on the system....Users will also be able to configure their internet browser to block all cookies from Phorm and therefore prevent any profiling without a cookie being loaded. How this operates in practice will not be apparent until the trials by the ISP get underway or the product is rolled out but it should be possible for Phorm to achieve compliance with Regulation 6."

well apart from the fact ,it is clear how they operate, that they do track you if you block the cookie and are trying to store and read these data cookies without consent.....

"

[manxminx]

It is clear from his comments given to 4 that he is clearly not an independent person working to produce just a PIA but was quite clear in his words that he is a supporter of the phorm system

Craig, I really think we need to wait until we see the whole recording of last nights meeting before passing judgement. Also, the media are well known to 'selective quote'. I somehow doubt that the snipit of the interview CH4 showed is representative of SD's views.

[Pasanonic]

Originally Posted by bigboab5

Hi Fibod,

Where are ye then?

I'm guessing the studious looking young gentleman in glasses and fetching curly hair

---------- Post added at 19:55 ---------- Previous post was at 19:52 ----------

Originally Posted by manxminx

Craig, I really think we need to wait until we see the whole recording of last nights meeting before passing judgement. Also, the media are well known to 'selective quote'. I somehow doubt that the snipit of the interview CH4 showed is representative of SD's views.

Those comments, made to channel 4 in a separate interview will be all we get to see. Try as I might I can't see how his obvious support in that interview could have been taken out of the context of a larger conversation saying the opposite.
Channel 4 even made it clear before showing his piece that 80/20 was in the payroll of Phorm.

[OF1975]

Originally Posted by kt88man

@OF1975 re: your 19:25 post on iii

I'm not registered to post on iii so I'll make the comment here.

Regarding Phorm in the US...

I'm not so sure it will be such an easy ride. In an earlier incarnation Kent's activities are quite well known by some of the techs...

{ snipped links }

Also, whilst the states may be more laid back about the privacy issue, legal eagles are far more prone to swoop if they think there's a buck or two to be had...

As an aside... I note that 'brettypoos' has calmed down a little now... wonder if that's the same poster as on http://www.lse.co.uk/SharePrice.asp?shareprice=PHRM

You may be right Kt88man. I just know from my chats with american friends that they just dont seem that interested in any of this even when I tell them all about it and warn them that it IS on its way over there. I think you may be right about the US techs and leagle eagles though.

[fidbod]

Originally Posted by bigboab5

Hi Fibod,

Where are ye then?

About 2 minutes 50 into the clip