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popper · 15-04-2008, 22:34

with the odd exception's OC

Cobbydaler · 15-04-2008, 22:36

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Originally Posted by dav

Just posted back on the NG asking for the OPs source.
No reason to distrust, but can't hurt to verify.

See my link to Directive 2002/58EC in post 3503

Kursk · 15-04-2008, 22:38

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Originally Posted by wecpc

I ........they did a great job for us all.

Agreed. And if I am not mistaken, Alexander will be the first to acknowledge the input and support of all those on this forum who reject this technology. Well done indeed Alexander and well done to you all.

No more time for group hugs though; a bloody nose won't be enough to stop these plans.

To inphinity and beyond!

fidbod · 15-04-2008, 22:46

Just got back from the meeting

Great work by Alex, didn't seem fazed by the event and put across a strong case against.

Dr Clayton also very good. Unequivocal that the process is illegal under RIPA and deeply objectionable from a privacy perspective

Kent was as you would expect - On message and deeply disingenuous!!! He has the politicians habit of answering a question by talking about anything but the subject of the question.

He also spent a lot of time trying to portray Phorm as being good for internet as a whole on the basis that it will lead to a fairer distribution of revenue from advertising. It basically translated as google make lots of money, I want some of it.

The techie from Phorm seemed honest, his main purpose seemed to be rebuttal of Richard Clayton - which was far from convincing

Quote of the evening

Kent: "contrary to popular rumour the guardian has not dropped Phorm..."

Charles Arthur: " Hi, Charles Arthur from the Guardian. Our senior commercial chappies have told everyone we are not having anything to do with Phorm. Are they misleading us?"

Kent: cue furious backpedalling similar to that seen by a politician who has been caught out.

OF1975 · 15-04-2008, 22:47

I have decided to coin a new term to describe the sentiment in the quote from Alexander:

"What Phorm is trying to do is to turn people into products.; a global warehouse selling pieces of us to highest bidders."

New term is terra-phorming.

dav · 15-04-2008, 22:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobbydaler

See my link to Directive 2002/58EC in post 3503

Thanks. I did have a quick look at your links but it's way too late for me to start reading all that (don't have stamina like Alexander does). I'll have a good look tomorrow at work.

Clarification from the OP on the NG is in; it was a personal reply to him. Need to request the commissioner to put this on an EU page as a public statement.
Anybody up for this? It's not my sort of thing as I wouldn't know how to phrase it

Cobbydaler · 15-04-2008, 22:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidbod

Quote of the evening

Kent: "contrary to popular rumour the guardian has not dropped Phorm..."

Charles Arthur: " Hi, Charles Arthur from the Guardian. Our senior commercial chappies have told everyone we are not having anything to do with Phorm. Are they misleading us?"

Kent: cue furious backpedalling similar to that seen by a politician who has been caught out.

Priceless!

lucevans · 15-04-2008, 22:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by OF1975

I have decided to coin a new term to describe the sentiment in the quote from Alexander:

"What Phorm is trying to do is to turn people into products.; a global warehouse selling pieces of us to highest bidders."

New term is terra-phorming.

OF1975 · 15-04-2008, 22:56

Another little thing I found today which I havent seen mentioned so far:

Quote from link: "Executive director of ORG Becky Hogge said: 'I'm concerned that the claims that Phorm breaks RIPA [Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act] are not being investigated.'

She added: 'The Home Office, who should investigate, have so far kept quiet.' "

http://www.bcs.org/server.php?show=conWebDoc.18793

Pasanonic · 15-04-2008, 22:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by fidbod

Just got back from the meeting

Great work by Alex, didn't seem fazed by the event and put across a strong case against.

Dr Clayton also very good. Unequivocal that the process is illegal under RIPA and deeply objectionable from a privacy perspective

Kent was as you would expect - On message and deeply disingenuous!!! He has the politicians habit of answering a question by talking about anything but the subject of the question.

He also spent a lot of time trying to portray Phorm as being good for internet as a whole on the basis that it will lead to a fairer distribution of revenue from advertising. It basically translated as google make lots of money, I want some of it.

The techie from Phorm seemed honest, his main purpose seemed to be rebuttal of Richard Clayton - which was far from convincing

Quote of the evening

Kent: "contrary to popular rumour the guardian has not dropped Phorm..."

Charles Arthur: " Hi, Charles Arthur from the Guardian. Our senior commercial chappies have told everyone we are not having anything to do with Phorm. Are they misleading us?"

Kent: cue furious backpedalling similar to that seen by a politician who has been caught out.

Well done on attending and thanks for the update.

I don't doubt that Kent's backsliding and jinking was in evidence. He does after all hold a Bachelor's degree in Politics from Princeton University.

I pointed out similar in #3461 http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post3461.html

Are you able to elaborate on anything mentioned in the much curtailed q&a?

Ravenheart · 15-04-2008, 23:01

After hearing about the EU development, Phorm recruit another PR team member

http://sehlhorst.smugmug.com/photos/53113926-M.jpg

TehTech · 15-04-2008, 23:05

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Originally Posted by Ravenheart

After hearing about the EU development, Phorm recruit another PR team member

http://sehlhorst.smugmug.com/photos/53113926-M.jpg

HA HA HA HA HA

OF1975 · 15-04-2008, 23:07

Oh lord. They still hiring personnel:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...o,353155.shtml

Sometimes I hate googling for news about Phorm.

15-04-2008, 23:12

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Originally Posted by lucevans

I think there is a need for a "Global War on Terra-Phorming"

Look forward to seeing the unedited video of the event thanks to Simon Davies and team. Just so we can see Alex and The Doctor do their thing (and of course that wonderful quote about the Guardian, love that, hope it comes out on tape ok!)

Hank

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Quote:

Originally Posted by OF1975

Oh lord. They still hiring personnel:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...o,353155.shtml

You'd think they have enough chiefs wouldn't you? It's indians they need. Indians with a sense of the natural order and what's right/wrong, and when to give up!

Pasanonic · 15-04-2008, 23:13

Quote:

Originally Posted by OF1975

Oh lord. They still hiring personnel:

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...o,353155.shtml

Sometimes I hate googling for news about Phorm.

Smacks of desperation. Along the lines of "hey, this guy got Google doubleclick past the FTC so let's hire him tout suite".

Still a concern though. Seems they are not interested in changing their model but more than willing to hire obfuscatory front men to convince others that the model complies. I'd be appalled if Jeffrey Brooks Dobbs was not able to conclude that Phorm's layer 7 DPI is not illegal in the EU regardless of his work in the US.